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军师提到了孔子，所以我有了在原创区举行闲聊

我心中的孔子

征文活动的想法，不知道有没有人捧场。百家争鸣，尊孔批孔都可以的， 但必须是原创。


孔子是个实诚人

九天原创

孔子没有自己说自己是圣人，恰恰相反，论语里记载，

大宰問於子貢曰：「夫子聖者與？何其多能也？」
子貢曰：「固天縱之將聖，又多能也。」
子聞之，曰：「大宰知我乎！吾少也賤，故多能鄙事。君子多乎哉？不多也。」

九天翻译一下，

有个官员职称太宰，职责是掌管国家的六种典籍，用来辅佐国王治理国家。他問孔子的第8名第子，号称儒门先贤，叫子貢那个人：「孔子如此多才多艺，肯定是个圣人吧？」

子貢骄傲地说：「哪当然，不是天生的圣人，怎么会如此多才多艺。」

孔子听到后，对九天说，：「太宰那种官员怎么能够理解我？我小時候家里日子穷苦，
所以才能会做一些下贱的粗活。君子会做这些粗活？不才不会的。」

所以，九天认为，不能仅仅根据论语妄谈孔子，因为论语是已经或者想当官的那部分学生主编的，不是孔子亲自写的。这类有政治抱负的人，需要为自己的理想宣传嘛，论语里面有他们的观点，理所当然。

真实的孔子，是个实诚人。针对目前流传的孔子的误解，举2个小例子。

1， 孔子在 《 礼运 》 里说，

飲食男女，人之大欲存焉；
死亡貧苦，人之大惡存焉。
故欲惡者，心之大端也。
人藏其心，不可測度也；
美惡皆在其心，不見其色也，欲一以穷之，舍礼何以哉？

其中说，人人都想吃喝，才能够活下去。人人都想找老婆嫁老公，人类才能一代一代的繁衍下去。
如果一个人隐瞒自己需要吃喝喜欢异性，那么这个人是居心叵测，大家要当心这类人物。

2， 诗经是孔子编的，其取舍代表了孔子的趣味。 里面有大量的爱情，甚至暧昧诗歌。
其中，窈窕淑女、君子好逑，已经广泛流传。而

南山崔崔、雄狐綏綏。
魯道有蕩、齊子由归。
既曰归止、曷又怀止。

则是描写兄妹之间的不伦爱情。

真实的孔子，没有对别人高标注，严要求，他仅仅要求人们，

1，做到 己所不欲，勿施于人，就是好人。

2，不必按圣人标准要求自己，那会太累，误入虚伪。

3，不必按圣人标准要求他人，那会太烦，误入愤世。

所以，九天认为真实的孔子是个实诚人，出身平民，没有自称了不起，
跟我们一样的食色性也，主张己所不欲，勿施于人而已。

Diffusion

九天 发表于 2013-4-10 04:50 PM
军师提到了孔子，所以我有了在原创区举行闲聊

我心中的孔子

你牛，能考据出这么多名堂。

BSW

LaoDa, I think you misinterpreted DaoLuan's absence these days as "躲起来不说话了", and that some of your words on him are unfounded.  

First, his last post on FSLR was on 2/28 (see attached below) in which he sort of acknowledged his bad call (yes, "sort of", because he is, after all, DaoLuan, huh?).   Second, which is more relevant, DL has not shown up at DQ these days as frequently as in those old days.  But this has nothing to do with whether he made a bad call or not.  Rather, the words (or rumor) are that his business (may be solar related business) is taking up more and more of his time and he frequently travels between US and China.  As a result, quite often these days he merely shows up when he enters or exits a position (in addition to "pulling wind" here and there whenever he does show up, as he usually did).  



"汗,,,,,,,古人训:"人要贵于自知之明" aapl & fslr顿时让捣同学一下子低拉下了脑袋瓜子......


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谁说过?天空中的每一块乌云,拨开了,其实后面是太阳!厚厚...."

Diffusion

BSW 发表于 2013-4-10 04:56 PM
LaoDa, I think you misinterpreted DaoLuan's absence these days as "躲起来不说话了", and that some of ...

What you said is also merely your interpretation, and it could be misinterpretation as well. And some of your words, particularly "some of your words on him are unfounded", is unfounded, following your logic. So, why bother?

BSW

Diffusion 发表于 2013-4-10 05:06 PM
What you said is also merely your interpretation, and it could be misinterpretation as well. And s ...

LaoDa, the following are based on facts, not on subjective speculation (or "interpretation"):

1: "he sort of acknowledged his bad call"; and

2: "DL has not shown up at DQ these days as frequently as in those old days" even before his call on FSLR

Would these suggest, if not prove, that he did not "躲起来不说话了"?

Diffusion

BSW 发表于 2013-4-10 05:14 PM
LaoDa, the following are facts, not interpretation:

1: "he sort of acknowledged his bad call";  ...

Diffusion

BSW 发表于 2013-4-10 05:14 PM
LaoDa, the following are based on facts, not on subjective speculation (or "interpretation"):

...

看你这么认真，就多说两句吧，在英语里，"based on fact" usually means "it's fiction", "suggest" usually means "I'm not sure"。如果是严肃的讨论，这样的话最多说一遍，反复的说得话会被认为不严谨。听得人会觉得You are wasting my time.

所以，如果是娱乐的话，你怎么说我都乐于接受，反正我也是娱乐。

如果是严肃的讨论，那。。。

linday

too complicated for my simple brain, I escape

Diffusion

linday 发表于 2013-4-10 05:47 PM
too complicated for my simple brain, I escape

大牛Steve

BSW

Diffusion 发表于 2013-4-10 05:35 PM
看你这么认真，就多说两句吧，在英语里，"based on fact" usually means "it's fiction", "suggest" usua ...

Lao da, be it entertaining or academic discussion, it needs not to be so complicated, definitely not so complicated that a lesson on how to best command/comprehend the English language is warranted.

You asserted DL has been hiding because of the bad fslr call. I pointed out (with fact and other indications) that your assertion is likely not true.  You can either stick to your assertion by  refuting my facts, or acknowledge your assertion is probably indeed unfounded.  Or, as LaoDa,you could certainly choose to ignore my words.

It should have been this simple.

I rest my case.

Diffusion

BSW 发表于 2013-4-10 06:41 PM
Lao da, be it entertaining or academic discussion, it needs not to be so complicated, definitely n ...

太实诚了，不逗你了。好吧，为了让你码的字物有所值，我承认some of my words are probably not true. But you must know this: "Don't Let The Facts Stand In The Way of a Good Story". I think I wrote a good story, with or without facts.

Diffusion

BSW 发表于 2013-4-10 06:41 PM
Lao da, be it entertaining or academic discussion, it needs not to be so complicated, definitely n ...

BSW  "I think I wrote a good story," - absolutely no question about that. Guess I should have first commended you on writing up the otherwise marvelous piece, which would be politically correct, hehe.

Yes, usually it's suggested to use the "But" sandwich, which would certainly make the conversation more smoothly. But this is also good, it gave me opportunity to better understand you. And I'm not doing this for free. Would you please share your opinion on the market?

拐点

都不要在这个问题上再争了，胡同的人对捣乱不是很熟悉，有些误解完全可以理解的。

大家交流需要时间去理解对方，去理解其他人的想法。

Diffusion

拐点 发表于 2013-4-10 08:40 PM
都不要在这个问题上再争了，胡同的人对捣乱不是很熟悉，有些误解完全可以理解的。

大家交流需要时间去理 ...

拐点

Diffusion 发表于 2013-4-10 09:08 PM

不过你楼顶文章，确实有些信口开河颠倒黑白，难怪有人看你不顺眼。哈哈哈。。

Diffusion

拐点 发表于 2013-4-10 11:07 PM
不过你楼顶文章，确实有些信口开河颠倒黑白，难怪有人看你不顺眼。哈哈哈。。

开小差

我认为捣乱不是这样的人，他也承认错误的，你可能不了解他