糊涂的3买

捷思

关于3买我糊涂了很长一段时间，一直不明白怎么看3买。
第三类买卖点定理：一个次级别走势类型向上离开缠中说禅走势中枢，然后以一个次级别走势类型回试，其低点不跌破ZG，则构成第三类买点。
我总结为两种3买，同级别意义下的3买和非同级别意义下的3买。
同级别意义下的3买：次级别离开，次级别回测
非同级别意义下的3买：次级别和以下级别离开，次级别回测
，允许次级别和以下级别离开，这样才能解释以缺口离开形成的3买。非同级别分解中，允许中枢连接段是缺口。
不保证起点一点是最高/最低点。



第二个图则是糊涂的走势。
按照理论划分的线段有时候出现起点不是最高最低点的情况，看起来很别扭。这时候可以变通一下，把起点移动到最高最低点，不影响分析。

阅读缠论的第三类买卖

rightonmoney

如果股票可以通过勤奋学习而获得成功，那所有会读书的人都应该是亿万富翁。

milan1126

rightonmoney 发表于 2013-1-19 02:29 PM
如果股票可以通过勤奋学习而获得成功，那所有会读书的人都应该是亿万富翁。

哈哈，太精辟了~
交易比拼的是人的综合素质，硬件软件，外因内因都要到位才可能阶段性战胜花街~

捷思

简单就是美 图解授课20  三买点的逻辑关系
非同分的3买在时间上要早于同分3买。

milan1126

捷思 发表于 2013-1-20 01:54 AM
简单就是美 图解授课20  三买点的逻辑关系
非同分的3买在时间上要早于同分3买。

那么次级别离开，次次级别回测不回到中枢内呢？
这个很常见，出现得更早，只是不保证获利，因为有可能次次级别再下来一段形成次级别回测，结果这次回到中枢了~

捷思

milan1126 发表于 2013-1-20 10:22 AM
那么次级别离开，次次级别回测不回到中枢内呢？
这个很常见，出现得更早，只是不保证获利，因为有可能次 ...

激进的操作考虑次次级别离开，次次级别回测形成的次级别3买。
模拟走势的演化：
趋势背驰，
形成上涨一笔，
形成笔3买，笔中枢
形成1分3买，1分中枢
形成5分3买，5分中枢。。。
趋势背驰，笔3买就是那最早的苗头。
”只要那最细微的苗头一出来，就当下地领悟了，这才算是对市场走势这伟大诗篇一个有点合格的阅读“

以上为花开走势，中枢级别逐渐扩大。反过来，
形成1分3买
形成笔3买
趋势背驰，
形成反向一笔
就是花谢走势了，中枢逐渐变小。

还可以考虑中枢完美，次级别离开刚开始的类1买（次级别1买）。

doubleedgesoft

It seems that ZQ chart in 5F from me is different.
1. Started from 134.7, one 5F up (one ZQ) to 141.40
2. One 5F down (one ZQ) to 139.00
3. One 5F up (one ZQ) to 145.58
4.One 5F down (two ZQs ) to 139.54
5. One 5F up (one ZQ) to 148.49.

Obviously, one 30F ZQ is formed at step 4, there is no 5F third buy yet because one 5F up is going
now. You see, the next down trend must be 5F at least, of course, the current 5F could be formed
another ZQ before it will happen.

The recent 1F up was started from 146.20, now there are 2 ZQs in 1F, you know the reason why I started to short is
if SPY will go higher, it's better to form 1F down first.  Anyway, the market has no choice but 1F down
or 5F down right now.

捷思

doubleedgesoft 发表于 2013-1-20 11:38 AM
It seems that ZQ chart in 5F from me is different.
1. Started from 134.7, one 5F up (one ZQ) to 14 ...

1.第一段5分走势是如何从1分线段划分而来呢？
2.前3段在日线上是一笔，我就直接把级别近似于30分线段，5分级别走势了。

doubleedgesoft

捷思 发表于 2013-1-20 07:25 PM
1.第一段5分走势是如何从1分线段划分而来呢？
2.前3段在日线上是一笔，我就直接把级别近似于30分线段，5 ...

There are 9 1F lines from 138.75 to 139.12, the first 5F ZQ is from 139.03 to 139.13,
then it reached 141.40 to complete first 5F up. The second 5F (140.44, 140.88)is from 141.40 to 139.0
by completing 13 1F lines. At this stage, the 30F ZQ is forming due to the lowest point 139.00 fell into the first
5F ZQ, in other words, we know the third 5F up would come which was made up of three Zigzig 1Fs due
to alternate law because the first 5F ZQ is flat zone.  If you know the structure of ZQ very well, basically it's
only way for Bull to form one 30F up trend. As the third 5F was completed at 145.58, the trap for bull was set up,
the strong 5F down was completed by not developing  small c duan which is the sign to gap up for another at least 5F
up.  However this up 5F structure is weak due to the first 1F(139.5 to 146.61) is so strong and the second 1F (from 146.61
to 144.98) is not good at all which made the third 1F (146.20 , 148.49) very weak by completing 13 1F lines already without
any big gap up. It means that bear is putting huge pressure in this 1F up.

捷思

doubleedgesoft 发表于 2013-1-20 05:07 PM
There are 9 1F lines from 138.75 to 139.12, the first 5F ZQ is from 139.03 to 139.13,
then it r ...

我的划分没有形成5分。
和我的图比较一下，把不同地方的1分图帖上来。

befriend

Thanks

doubleedgesoft

捷思 发表于 2013-1-20 09:50 PM
我的划分没有形成5分。
和我的图比较一下，把不同地方的1分图帖上来。

I know, but I don't have 1min chart right now. The only thing which I can show you
is to use 1 hour chart.

1. First 1F line, the started point is the highest point 138.75 at 1pm in Nov 19, the completed
point is the lowest point 138.37 at 2pm in Nov 19.
2. Second 1F line, the started point is the lowest point 138.37 at 2pm in Nov 19, the completed
point is the highest point 139.13 at 4pm in Nov 19.
3. Third 1F line, the started point is the highest point 139.13 at 4pm in Nov 19, the completed
point is the lowest point 138.50 at 10am in Nov 20.
4. Fourth 1F line, the started point is the lowest point 138.50 at 10am in Nov 20, the completed
point is the lowest point 139.42 at 1pm in Nov 20.
5. Fifth 1F line, the started point is the highest point 139.42 at 1pm in Nov 20, the completed point
is the lowest point 138.08 at 2pm in Nov 20.
6. Sixth 1F line, the started point is the lowest point 138.08 at 2pm in Nov 20, the completed point
is the highest point 139.52 at 10am in Nov 21
7. Seventh 1F line, the started point is the highest point 139.52 at 10am in Nov 21, the completed
point is the lowest point 139.03 at 11am in Nov 21.
8. Eighth 1F line, the started point is the lowest point 139.03 at 11am in Nov 21, the completed
point is the hightest point 139.37 at 12am in Nov 21.
9. Ninth 1F line, the started point is the hightest point 139.37 at 12am in Nov 21, the completed
point is the lowest point 139.12 at 12am in Nov 21. (It's cross star bar)

Now it's just basic calculation to get the first 5F ZQ. Its price trade period was almost three full days.

捷思

doubleedgesoft 发表于 2013-1-20 07:35 PM
I know, but I don't have 1min chart right now. The only thing which I can show you
is to use 1 ho ...

1. 139.15-138.50 是1笔。我的规则，有缺口的笔如果直接破坏线段可以算线段，否则还是一笔。可以按你的规则处理。
2. 139.37-139.12 中间笔不成立
3. 中枢起点我从139.42开始计算，或者从你的139.15开始，这样可以避免中枢升级。从139.15开始，139.03结束一共5段。中枢之前算连接段。

doubleedgesoft

I see. But I insisted my way to draw 1F line. If you read the first down 1F line, the down force
is 0.38 which would be used to calculate as the base for judging if it's enough for the line or not.
The gap down force from 139.13 to 138.50 is 0.63. I have the reason to consider it's a line but not one  BI.
At least for the line from 139.37 to 138.12, please notice there is the lowest bar besides of 1 place. As I said before,
I have my software to recalculate the raw data to make it not merge in minute bars. The data which we can collect
is .XX, but the data through my software is double floating type.

Anyway, I consider it as one 1F line. In my chart, there are 11 1F lines from 138.75 to 139.31.

The three days time is another important factor.

捷思

doubleedgesoft 发表于 2013-1-20 09:02 PM
I see. But I insisted my way to draw 1F line. If you read the first down 1F line, the down force
is ...

看放大图。1点最低。

doubleedgesoft

捷思 发表于 2013-1-21 12:21 AM
看放大图。1点最低。

I checked my record and at that time I used the following calculation to define it as 1F line.

捷思

doubleedgesoft 发表于 2013-1-21 08:27 AM
I checked my record and at that time I used the following calculation to define it as 1F line.
...

按照定义，第一个笔延伸到1。所以1-2笔不成立。
即使1-2不算，你还有9段，可以升级为5F.
按我的划分，没有升级。
这么说缠论会得到不同的结果？
大家讨论一下！

milan1126

捷思 发表于 2013-1-20 07:25 PM
1.第一段5分走势是如何从1分线段划分而来呢？
2.前3段在日线上是一笔，我就直接把级别近似于30分线段，5 ...

134.7-141.4只是1分钟的走势，我自己画的图里包含premarket和after hour，49—56之间有11段，假设是49-60。结果58高于49，60高于51，扩展不成功，这个仅仅是原1分钟中枢的扩张，并没有升级成5分钟中枢。
扩张和扩展最大的区别是，扩张是未完成的走势，扩展是已完成的走势。中枢扩张说明中枢有升级的可能，但还没升级成功，所以1分钟仍然是上升走势，而不是中枢震荡~
实际上直到11月28日回测139，这个中枢才成功升级为5分钟的~

doubleedgesoft

milan1126 发表于 2013-1-22 03:11 PM
134.7-141.4只是1分钟的走势，我自己画的图里包含premarket和after hour，49—56之间有11段，假设是49- ...

Because my chart is 5F up, so my view is different. The reason why this 1F is so
strong is trying to form the second 5F ZQ. There are many chances for 1F player.