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发表于 2010-4-13 02:05 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 CoolMax 于 2010-4-13 16:23 编辑

专门开一贴,汇集房市的信息。

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 楼主| 发表于 2010-4-13 02:05 PM | 显示全部楼层

Home Price Drop of 30% Possible for 2010

本帖最后由 CoolMax 于 2010-4-13 15:13 编辑

First American CoreLogic has released its latest residential real estate analysis here. Three important graphs from the report follow in this discussion.

Distressed Home Sales Increased in January

The first graph shows that distressed home sales have increased to 29% of all sales. This is high but less than a year ago.


Note the systematic increase in short sales over the past year. The volume of shorts sales is expected to be increasing further in 2010. The volume of REO sales is also likely to rise. I have estimated that REO (real estate owned) bank properties on the market in 2010 will be about 33% more in number than in 2009. If sales reflect the same increase then total sales will have to increase by 1/3 in 2010 to keep the ratio of distressed sales around 30%.

Distressed Sales Likely to Increase Share of Market in 2010

The previous discussion means the total sales in 2010 will need to rise to about 8 million, up from about 6 million in 2009. That increase is problematic. For example, it was recently pointed out that an increase of that magnitude in new home sales would require a dramatic change of trend. So most of the increase would have to come from existing home sales and these recently have been trending down.

However, pending home sales were up February, possibly signaling a three month sales volume rally into the April 30 deadline for the latest home purchase tax credit program. Whether this will be enough to put a dent in the 2 million increase in home sales needed for 2010 remains to be seen. The year over year increase in pending home sales in February was 17.6%. If this could be maintained for the balance of 2010 we would only have 1/2 of the sales increase needed to maintain distressed sales at 30%.

If 2010 home sales were to increase by 17% for 2010 over 2009 and my estimates for distressed sales are realized, approximately 35% of home sales in 2010 would be distressed properties. This would produce new highs for the graph above.

Prices Could Fall About 30% from January

The reason the proportion of sales that are distressed is important is revealed in the second graph from First American CoreLogic:



Increasing the share of market for distressed sales to 35% implies an average sales price about 30% below January. (Note: Although not specified by First American CoreLogic, the average sales prices are very close to data published by the NAR (National Association of Realtors) data base.)

The Discount for Distressed Sales is Increasing

After dropping from a discount of about 45% three years ago to a low just above 20% in 3Q/2008, the discount for distressed sales is now averaging over 30% for the past 12 months. The trend appears to be upward. See the following graph.



If the trend to higher discount were to continue throughout 2010, the 30% estimated average price decline from January could be too small.

The wild card in these estimates is a possible shift to more sales at higher price points. If the nearly dead market for higher priced homes improves, the average price could be higher than projected. On the other hand, if upper market foreclosures and short sales increase, the discounts for distressed sales could be increased, depressing the discount more than projected.

The two wild cards would act in opposing directions on average home prices. We will have to monitor the market to see if one of the two becomes more important than the other in affecting the average home price.

Disclosure: No stocks mentioned.

About the author: John Lounsbury
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发表于 2010-4-13 03:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
这年头还有熊吗?不如改成牛眼看房事
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-4-13 03:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
这年头还有熊吗?不如改成牛眼看房事
ByStander 发表于 2010-4-13 04:05 PM


股市虽然牛,房市还是很熊的。
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发表于 2010-4-13 03:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
支持,贴点不同观点的数据。

[Rising mortgage rate didn't deter home buyers]
http://online.barrons.com/articl ... html?mod=BOL_hps_dc (May require subscription)

Meantime, mortgage applications plunged 11% in the latest weeks, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, apparently in reaction to an uptick in mortgage rates related to the sell-off last week in the Treasury market. Refinancing applications, which are most rate sensitive, fell 11% in the latest week, while purchase applications inched up 0.2%.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-4-13 03:17 PM | 显示全部楼层
1% mortgage rate hiking will put 10% presure on house prices.
This is basic math.
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发表于 2010-4-13 03:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
1% mortgage rate hiking will put 10% presure on house prices.
This is basic math.
CoolMax 发表于 2010-4-13 16:17



    I agree. But housing price is supported by building cost.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-4-13 03:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
I agree. But housing price is supported by building cost.
Diffusion 发表于 2010-4-13 04:27 PM


I don't think so.
In high price area, building cost is only small percentage of total house price.
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本帖最后由 Diffusion 于 2010-4-13 16:57 编辑
I don't think so.
In high price area, building cost is only small percentage of total house pri ...
CoolMax 发表于 2010-4-13 16:36



    I have some data to show at some market that Comparable Market price is equal or even lower than Cost-Based price, for some houses that are priced at 75-th percentile. Though I'm not allowed to publish the data, this can be used as a reference, hopefully.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-4-13 03:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 CoolMax 于 2010-4-13 17:04 编辑
I have some data to show at some market that Comparable Market price is equal or even lowe ...
Diffusion 发表于 2010-4-13 04:56 PM


So it is not support. right?

Broken support line is not support any more.

If a stock traded at 25% below its 200 day moving average, can you still call 200 day moving average as support? clearly no.

The only thing HB can do in this case is to stop building any new houses, which happened everywhere right now.
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发表于 2010-4-13 04:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
回复 2# CoolMax


   
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本帖最后由 Diffusion 于 2010-4-13 17:06 编辑
So it is not support. right?

Broken support line is not support any more.
CoolMax 发表于 2010-4-13 16:59



    Wells, there is head-fake breaking out. And I should have said "slightly lower". It's certainly not 25% below, it's within 1%.
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发表于 2010-4-13 04:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
请看这个condo,可以买来投资吗?
       
        特征:
1。 6年新
2。 本市最好的学区 (elementary, middle, and high are all blue ribbon schools, all rated 10 by greatschools.org),5-min walk distance to Super Wal-Mart, bank, public library, a couple of eating places, 40分钟from downtown。
3。 condo 费 250/月。 税:120/月
4。 1,397square feet , two bed room , two bathroom, with a study/office.
5. 租金:1,250/月; currently there is a tenant, with his lease expiring on 07/31/2010
6。 现标价:99,900 。The price was $187,000 at peak time。

Thanks a lot. I am a first time condo buyer.        
这是前2天在论坛上看的一个贴,美国的房子...
算了算租金回报率在10%左右,也就是说租10年就能把本收回还不算capital gain...
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本帖最后由 CoolMax 于 2010-4-13 17:09 编辑
Wells, there is head-fake breaking out. And I should have said "slightly lower". It's cert ...
Diffusion 发表于 2010-4-13 05:05 PM


Housing price is faked by FED and Gov.

Broken CA gov offers total 100M for 10K housing credit addition to Federal 8K. how desperate they are!
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发表于 2010-4-13 04:10 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Diffusion 于 2010-4-13 17:13 编辑
Housing price is faked by FED and Gov.
CoolMax 发表于 2010-4-13 17:07



    And they may keep it faked forever...

    Federal gov didn't extend the tax credit anymore, and Fed shutdown the MBS purchasing program, they are not that desperate. CA is skewed by the Governator. God bless it.
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