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[灌水] 谁能跑赢大盘?

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-10-1 11:11 AM | 显示全部楼层


本帖最后由 盈透阿狗 于 2017-10-1 11:23 AM 编辑

谢谢“蛋炒饭”老大的理解、参与和支持。我们几个人共同开发的这个小模型,好像一只麻雀,虽然小,但也具备有AI的许多特征,比如machine learning特征。
暂且把“学习前”的结果看成是九月份的HI-MODEL预测(列出在296楼第一行第四列, 连接列在299楼),
那么,通过对九月份大盘实际涨落的学习,重新回测,就是“学习后”结果。
把(1)“学习前”,(2)“学习后”对比,并且参照“源济”推崇的(3)“持续押涨”,作三条曲线,其结果,(见附图)一目了然。

连这样一个小模型,一个傻瓜机器,都可以“学习”,更何况具有高等思维,具有丰富炒股经验的许许多多的老股民呢。

其实,参与《每周888彩票》和《每日竞猜》活动,并且定期总结各自的结果,是为了建立一个类似于machine learning一样的反馈机制。
有了这个“反馈机制”,每位参与人对各自所采用的预测方法,就可以重新认识。
“重新认识”的过程是对自己所依赖的方法的重新确认。
“你所依赖的方法”可能是K线法、切线法、蝉论、MACD, RSI指标,等,或者是它们的某些组合。
不管“你所依赖的方法”是什么,“重新认识”是去伪存真,自我学习的过程。这就是我为什么推荐鼓励更多人参与《每周888彩票》和《每日竞猜》活动。
参与《10/06/2017 - 胡同888彩票》: http://hutong9.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=372015
参与《10/2/2017 周一 SPY 免费有奖竞猜》:http://hutong9.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=369193
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发表于 2017-10-1 07:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
并且参照“源济”推崇的(3)“持续押涨”


声明一下:“持续押涨”不是我所“推崇”的,这只是一个简单有效的大盘的指标,超过“持续押涨”表示超过大盘表现,反之亦然。

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我是看到老大每天总是第一个“持续押涨”,就误解老大推崇“持续押涨”,对比起,请原谅。  发表于 2017-10-1 07:42 PM
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发表于 2017-10-1 07:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
另外,既然HI-Model是程序自动产生,能不能再做一个试验,只从每晚8点EST之前投票的人中产生判断,看一看结果有没有不同。这个结果可能更有意义。

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这个主义很好,可以执行。只是HI-MODEL是基于大家投票,只要每晚8点EST之前有半数以上的人投票,就可以。  发表于 2017-10-1 07:44 PM
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发表于 2017-10-1 07:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
更进一步,HI-Model能否在每天收盘之前给出第二天的预测?如果可以的话,更有实际指导意义。

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这个主义很好,可以执行。只是HI-MODEL是基于大家投票,只要每天收盘之前十几个人投票,就可以。少于10个人,很难说有统计意义。  发表于 2017-10-1 07:47 PM
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最后,胡同里还有一个现成的系统模型,也就是跟随胡同每天投票的“大多数”(投票人数相同时,不操作)。下面是统计结果,9月份总收益为:3.05%

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发表于 2017-10-1 07:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 源济 于 2017-10-1 07:30 PM 编辑

“多数派”模型九月份的战绩是:11胜,5负,4平,收益为:3.05%。按收益看,这个系统是不是可以排第一?

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可以得第一,这是因为这个月涨得远远大于跌的所致。  发表于 2017-10-1 07:57 PM
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-10-1 07:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
源济 发表于 2017-10-1 07:26 PM
“多数派”模型九月份的战绩是:11胜,5负,4平,收益为:3.05%。按收益看,这个系统是不是可以排第一?{:8 ...

老统计:HI-MODEL支持多数: 131次,支持少数:54次,另有14对开
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-10-1 08:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 盈透阿狗 于 2017-10-1 08:07 PM 编辑
源济 发表于 2017-10-1 07:09 PM
另外,既然HI-Model是程序自动产生,能不能再做一个试验,只从每晚8点EST之前投票的人中产生判断,看一看结 ...


基于当前(投票没有结束,并且也看不到888彩票的投票情况下):
  • "源济" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 15:58:49 2017
  • "风行过" voted 跌 at Fri Sep 29 15:58:49 2017
  • "ranchgirl" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 16:03:50 2017
  • "rightonmoney" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 16:05:50 2017
  • "ysc" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 17:00:50 2017
  • "coexist" voted 跌 at Fri Sep 29 17:09:50 2017
  • "pll" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 18:24:50 2017
  • "bokchoy888" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 21:02:49 2017
  • "littletiger" voted 跌 at Sun Oct 1 12:20:42 2017
  • "RespectRisk" voted 跌 at Sun Oct 1 17:48:42 2017
  • "Elephant" voted 跌 at Sun Oct 1 17:55:42 2017
  • "bucks" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 18:26:42 2017
  • "tcm328pan" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 18:53:41 2017
  • "oldwolf" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 19:30:41 2017
  • "QQQ?" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 20:14:41 2017
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10涨: QQQ?, bokchoy888, bucks, oldwolf, pll, ranchgirl, rightonmoney, tcm328pan, ysc, 源济
5跌: Elephant, RespectRisk, coexist, littletiger, 风行过
0平:
HI-MODEL supports 涨 (majority)

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-10-1 08:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 盈透阿狗 于 2017-10-1 08:14 PM 编辑
源济 发表于 2017-10-1 07:13 PM
更进一步,HI-Model能否在每天收盘之前给出第二天的预测?如果可以的话,更有实际指导意义。


“源济”老大,胡同网站是您的,规则是您制定的,所以,您说了算。我只不过是一个参与者,怎么玩儿,以及让不让玩儿,都是您说了算。
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发表于 2017-10-1 08:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
盈透阿狗  可以得第一,这是因为这个月涨得远远大于跌的所致。

“多数人”既可以押跌,也可以押涨,所以和“这个月涨得远远大于跌的所致”无关。

“多数人”胜率高可以说明:
(1)胡同里多数人的水平高;
(2)越迟投票,晚间获得的信息越多,准确率越高。
或者兼而有之,或者(2)的成份更高些。

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一般讲,(2)是对的,但不适合于 "xinxing", 因为他参加的《每周888彩票》,一次预测一周,得第六名,比许多当天投第二天,还要准。  发表于 2017-10-1 09:00 PM
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盈透阿狗 发表于 2017-10-1 08:13 PM
“源济”老大,胡同网站是您的,规则是您制定的,所以,您说了算。我只不过是一个参与者,怎么玩儿,以 ...

欢迎继续HI-Model的探索!
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-10-1 08:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 盈透阿狗 于 2017-10-1 08:29 PM 编辑
源济 发表于 2017-10-1 07:23 PM
最后,胡同里还有一个现成的系统模型,也就是跟随胡同每天投票的“大多数”(投票人数相同时,不操作)。下 ...


这个月“多数胜”的比例很大,但是对所有300多次的历史投票几率的统计是:
Majority won 194
Minority won 144
HI-MODEL Supports MinorityAndWinCount 59
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本帖最后由 源济 于 2017-10-1 08:36 PM 编辑
盈透阿狗 发表于 2017-10-1 08:27 PM
这个月“多数胜”的比例很大,但是对所有300多次的历史投票几率的统计是:
Majority won 194
Minorit ...


从2016年5月2日开办每日投票活动以来,这是我的统计结果:在总数358次投票里,多数胜202次,少数胜136次,平局20次。同时期间,SPY上涨196次,下跌161次,平盘1次。“多数人”收益超过大盘:27.58% vs. 21.76%。

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-10-1 08:51 PM | 显示全部楼层
源济 发表于 2017-10-1 08:32 PM
从2016年5月2日开办每日投票活动以来,这是我的统计结果:在总数358次投票里,多数胜202次,少数胜136次 ...

因为SPY有分红,所以我采用的是“大盘”SPX,关心的是《谁能跑赢大盘?》 而不是SPY。
持续押涨_持续押多数胜_胡同智能模型  三者 对比 图
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发表于 2017-10-1 09:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
盈透阿狗  一般讲,(2)是对的,但不适合于 "xinxing", 因为他参加的《每周888彩票》,一次预测一周,得第六名,比许多当天投第二天,还要准。

“xinxing” 和 “盈透阿狗” 是同一个人,其他的马甲还包括“酒醉今朝”,“Heping”。
http://www.hutong9.net/forum.php ... 65&fromuid=6183
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-10-2 02:50 AM | 显示全部楼层
SNDateUpDnSPY%WinnerSpySumPLSumHISupportHIPL%HIPLS%HiSupport
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-10-2 02:52 AM | 显示全部楼层
  • "源济" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 15:58:49 2017
  • "风行过" voted 跌 at Fri Sep 29 15:58:49 2017
  • "ranchgirl" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 16:03:50 2017
  • "rightonmoney" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 16:05:50 2017
  • "ysc" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 17:00:50 2017
  • "coexist" voted 跌 at Fri Sep 29 17:09:50 2017
  • "pll" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 18:24:50 2017
  • "bokchoy888" voted 涨 at Fri Sep 29 21:02:49 2017
  • "littletiger" voted 跌 at Sun Oct 1 12:20:42 2017
  • "RespectRisk" voted 跌 at Sun Oct 1 17:48:42 2017
  • "Elephant" voted 跌 at Sun Oct 1 17:55:42 2017
  • "bucks" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 18:26:42 2017
  • "tcm328pan" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 18:53:41 2017
  • "oldwolf" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 19:30:41 2017
  • "QQQ?" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 20:14:41 2017
  • "Scaling" voted 跌 at Sun Oct 1 21:28:41 2017
  • "秋雨" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 21:41:41 2017
  • "我是谁" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 22:01:41 2017
  • "sunset6" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 22:01:41 2017
  • "acoust" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 22:24:41 2017
  • "Bencat" voted 涨 at Sun Oct 1 23:27:41 2017
  • "bank9" voted 涨 at Mon Oct 2 00:10:40 2017
  • "georgeyn" voted 涨 at Mon Oct 2 00:55:40 2017
  • "itsme" voted 涨 at Mon Oct 2 02:39:40 2017
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There are 24 votes, in total, on Mon Oct 2 2017.
18涨: Bencat, QQQ?, acoust, bank9, bokchoy888, bucks, georgeyn, itsme, oldwolf, pll, ranchgirl, rightonmoney, sunset6, tcm328pan, ysc, 我是谁, 源济, 秋雨
6跌: Elephant, RespectRisk, Scaling, coexist, littletiger, 风行过
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-10-2 06:14 AM | 显示全部楼层
源济 发表于 2017-10-1 07:13 PM
更进一步,HI-Model能否在每天收盘之前给出第二天的预测?如果可以的话,更有实际指导意义。

请问“源济”,您的投票站是几点钟开始呀?每天收盘时,您的投票站甚至都没有打开,可是您想知道投票结果,说明您根本不懂HI-MODEL. 让“蛋炒饭”给您补补课吧。
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发表于 2017-10-2 06:27 AM | 显示全部楼层
盈透阿狗 发表于 2017-10-2 06:14 AM
请问“源济”,您的投票站是几点钟开始呀?每天收盘时,您的投票站甚至都没有打开,可是您想知道投票结果 ...

可以根据“每周投票”的结果给出第二天的预测。不过,我猜测这时HI-Model的结果很不理想,就像前期的统计结果。
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发表于 2017-10-2 06:30 AM | 显示全部楼层
盈透阿狗 发表于 2017-10-2 06:14 AM
请问“源济”,您的投票站是几点钟开始呀?每天收盘时,您的投票站甚至都没有打开,可是您想知道投票结果 ...

“每日投票”可以随时开启,在我这里不是问题,关键是有多少人投票,大家愿意在什么时候投票。
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