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没人讨论这个?Buy America Act

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发表于 2009-1-30 03:28 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


跟那个stimulus plan一起pass的。要打贸易仗了,可怜的本来很多公司最近就靠着海外市场,这下子热闹了,难怪GE一下子-5%...
大萧条的时候也是搞贸易壁垒把形势搞得更严峻的

'Buy American' stimulus alarms US businesses, trade partners14 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) — A "Buy American" drive in President BarackObama's economic stimulus plan is sparking protests from businesses andtrading partners, and drawing cheers from domestic manufacturers andunions.
Obama is pushing Congress for swift passage of theAmerican Recovery and Reinvestment Act as vital to prevent the collapseof the fragile US economy amid the accelerating global financial crisis.
TheHouse of Representatives passed an 819 billion dollar version of theeconomic stimulus package Wednesday that contains a "Buy American"provision generally barring the purchase of foreign iron and steel forany stimulus-funded infrastructure project.
The massive stimulusplan of tax cuts and spending has moved to the Senate, where lawmakersare working on their own version that extends the "Buy American"initiative on iron and steel to include all US manufactured goods.
Thebulk of Obama's stimulus package is infrastructure spending targeted toensure the country's long-term competitiveness in the global economy.
Thesweep of infrastructure projects is broad, from roads, rail, bridges,airports and dams to military construction and housing, among others.
Obama argues the expensive stimulus package, supported by unions, could save or create more than three million jobs.
Leadingbusiness interests warned that such measures could trigger trade warsthat only will exacerbate the slump in trade volumes and economicgrowth stemming from the financial turmoil.
"Since 95 percent ofthe world's consumers live outside the United States, American workerswould be the first to suffer as 'Buy American' provisions triggerretaliation by other countries -- that is, 'Buy German,' 'Buy Chinese,'and so on," said Chris Braddock of the US Chamber of Commerce.
"Wecertainly aren't against companies and governments 'Buying American,'but we are against the government arbitrarily mandating such arequirement, because it would harm our economy in numerous ways,"Braddock said, citing the trade wars that eventually sparked the GreatDepression.
"The Chamber is absolutely committed to avoiding a replay of that disaster," he said.
TheHouse's "Buy American" provision bars spending on any infrastructureproject "unless all of the iron and steel used in the project isproduced in the United States."
Exceptions would include theunavailability of a sufficient quantity of satisfactory quality of theUS metals and if their inclusion would raise the overall project's costby more than 25 percent.
The "Buy American" provision in theHouse-approved bill raised hackles in Canada, the United States'sbiggest trading partner, as well as in Europe.
"We want to avoid protectionism in this economic slowdown," said Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Itis a "serious concern to us," he said, and so "we're joining with allcountries in the world to insist that the United States respect its WTO(World Trade Organization) commitments."
Under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), Canada sells about 40 percent of its steel to its southern neighbor.
Harperintends to broach the "Buy American" issue with Obama when the USpresident visits Ottawa on February 19, Canadian Industry Minister TonyClement said.
A European Union spokesman said it was premature totake a stance on a text that had not yet been seen but "if a bill ispassed which prohibits the sale or purchase of European goods onAmerican territory, that is something we will not stand idly by andignore."
There was no immediate reaction from China, another major steel producer.
Obama,who criticized international trade agreements, including NAFTA, in hispresidential campaign, has wasted no time in taking a tough stance ontrade since taking office on January 20.
The next day, the Obamaadministration branded China a currency manipulator, setting the stagefor a trade war with the Asian giant which has overtaken Japan asAmerica's biggest foreign creditor.
"It's time for economicpatriots to stand up in our country. We need to ensure that our lawsare aggressively implemented to ensure that American taxpayer dollarsare used to put Americans back to work and help renew our economy,"said Leo Gerard, head of the United Steelworkers union which supportsthe "Buy America" campaign.
Kevin Kearns, president of the USBusiness and Industry Council, said a stimulus bill that lacks strict"Buy American" provisions "will only encourage ever more consumption offoreign goods with borrowed foreign money -- which helped producetoday's economic crisis in the first place."
发表于 2009-1-30 03:43 PM | 显示全部楼层
是不是要美国人买美国车,抵制日本车啊。
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发表于 2009-1-30 03:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
Be patriat ;-)
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发表于 2009-1-30 03:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
It's childish and useless.
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发表于 2009-1-30 03:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
一旦成为法律,买入钢铁有关的股票也许比较好
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发表于 2009-1-30 04:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
真的都竖起贸易壁垒的话,那就跟某位高人讲的那样,比比看谁死的快。撑到最后一个的人就活下来了。
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发表于 2009-1-30 04:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
要不要打仗?
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发表于 2009-1-30 04:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
瓦,好谢谢你呀。。。
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发表于 2009-1-30 04:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
5# gdtrader

会不会风险抬高???
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发表于 2009-1-30 04:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
Protectionism is the routine in the depression/recession...
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发表于 2009-1-30 04:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
这就是贸易仗,到时看看其他国家的反映,然后双方讨价还价,你来我往。信贷恢复的核心是就业及消费,把能保护的都保护,能收回的产业都收回(到时许多东西MADE IN USA都会有些不相信),首先要保障就业,重塑产业结构及储蓄习惯,原材料及产品价格会调整到市场接受的程度,应该有一段通缩。新架构平衡了就可以涨工资拉通胀。到时候百姓有钱了再慢慢恢复以往的信贷并严加监管。即使一般的工作也要稳定,就是收入少也能生活下去,因为那时房价普遍合理(反正盖房子的钱以前外国人都付了)。产业稳定-工作稳定-收入稳定-消费恢复-信贷恢复。这个过程需要估计8年左右。选08就是干这个的。
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发表于 2009-1-30 06:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
这就是贸易仗,到时看看其他国家的反映,然后双方讨价还价,你来我往。信贷恢复的核心是就业及消费,把能保护的都保护,能收回的产业都收回(到时许多东西MADE IN USA都会有些不相信),首先要保障就业,重塑产业结构 ...
hbw 发表于 2009-1-30 16:44

Any implications to the stock, commodities?
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发表于 2009-1-30 09:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
12# noob
股票和经济一样需要时间吧,大轮廓希望是L型。新低会是多少以及多长时间翻转没有人知道。看美国人千方百计不让底太低,来回折腾。稍有利好或打仗消息,就配合商品期货向上,给人以通胀恢复了的样子。玩了好几次了,可经济坏消息不断,商品就又不得不下行以配合经济需要,现在要是真的大幅涨价要怨声载道的。看08政府一系列新的法令出台吧。所有注资行为是稳定金融体系及实体,最后还要反映到百姓的收入上去,没有工作哪里来的收入,收入少也不够花的。原来美国的购买力建立在借贷之上的,现在泡沫破灭,需要时间恢复。坏账银行的事情据说暂时搁置,不太好。或许是窟窿太大不好堵?或者故意铁了心的割毒瘤?那要是再倒闭一些金融企业,可有好看的了。。。
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发表于 2009-1-30 10:12 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-1-31 10:15 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 coexist 于 2009-1-31 10:16 编辑

疯了还是傻了?回到中国清王朝时代吗?
http://blog.hutong9.com/space.php?uid=3922&do=blog&id=3027
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发表于 2009-1-31 12:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
15# coexist
美国做什么事情都是“霸王硬上弓”的。法令已经通过,就不要再讨论什么“不要贸易保护”。美国的经济重构工作已经开始了。不要听08讲什么,要看他们做什么?政治上是不能抱幻想的。这有个过程,两三年后见成果。。。
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发表于 2009-1-31 05:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
hbw分析的好。
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发表于 2009-1-31 06:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
16# hbw

怎么说法律已经通过?不是还在讨论吗?这么干部是跟胡佛一样了么?真要29年重现了。我不太相信能通过。
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