zt - 关于同级别分解和非同级别分解的一些想法

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以下是我的一些心得体会，本人新手，有什么说错了的话就请高手指点一下
1 同级别分解（简称“同分”）：同分有点像画线段，但又有点不同，同分的高低点必定是最高的或最低的 也就是按走势高低点来划分，这是最基本的要求，其次应优先考虑有连接段背驰段，以及有至少三段而不多于8段的震荡构成的独立中枢，但有些特殊情况，把只有上下上三段也看成一个同分的走势类型，不然就解释不了，又或许是我能力不够吧 求指点

2 非同级别分解（简称“非同”）：非同就是按扩展或延伸来构成中枢，叫非同中枢，这样在走势图上就是一个个大小级别不同的非同中枢，中枢，按缠论来说就是次级别至少三个走势类型重叠构成的，那么当我们得出非同中枢后，那么至少就有三个该非同中枢以下级别的走势类型重叠，且该至少三个的次级别走势类型的每个走势类型的两个端点，都必须至少触及非同中枢的ZD ZG。这至少三个的次级别走势类型就是用同分得出来的走势类型，当然三次震荡后依然可以继续震荡，这样后面的震荡的目标位置就有了相当明确的点位了 就是非同中枢的ZD或ZG了。同时，这样也可以成为同分的依据，比如从非同中枢下面上来，没有触及非同中枢的ZG前，都只是一个未完成的次级别走势类型，不管过程中怎么震荡 结构怎么复杂

3 非同中枢其实就是一个重要支撑或压力位置，当然还有其他的支撑位或压力位，但是中枢最为重要，可以把他看做是“颈线”，因为扩展或延伸得出的的非同中枢区间其实就是把前面的走势的高低点都取出来 ，然后得出来的

4 很多人说缠论是马后炮，我觉得对一半错一半，其实缠论强调的是当下，只要一旦错过了当下 其实都可以说是事后了，但是即使事后 ，也是可以用二买卖之类的来进场，甚至可以用笔的回抽来进场

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借别人的砖，抛一下  

doubleedgesoft

I will explain the concept of 级别. Because most of traders depend on the charts to place the orders.
The chart in 1 minute will be considered af 1f  级别, it's right in the price trading area, however gap down or
gap up will break 级别 for sure but the trend will be shown in the later.

You see, if you don't forget the chart first, then it will take long learning curve to overcome the bad habit.
My point is that you need have 级别 in your mind first, then the chart in time frames is just the tool for you to verify
级别.

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doubleedgesoft

Upload one chart at same rank.
Warning: I draw these lines for education ONLY because I use both bar chart and the chart from my own software to trade only.

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doubleedgesoft 发表于 2013-1-12 01:25 PM
Upload one chart at same rank.
Warning: I draw these lines for education ONLY because I use both b ...

老大高人，欢迎常来指教  

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doubleedgesoft 发表于 2013-1-12 11:19 AM
I will explain the concept of 级别. Because most of traders depend on the charts to place the orders ...

that's a interesting perspective.

What do you think of the current SPX?  

doubleedgesoft

bucks 发表于 2013-1-12 02:53 PM
that's a interesting perspective.

What do you think of the current SPX?

In the past I read SPX chart for checking SPY, later I found SPY better because
it includes dividend. In other words, I consider SPY to show main market trend.

As you may know, the option trade is very important in US exchange, we have to
consider the dividend factor. By the way, all of my trades are based on SPY movement,
so I use it as my main indicator to judge the MM plan.

doubleedgesoft

bucks 发表于 2013-1-12 02:51 PM
老大高人，欢迎常来指教

I learned a lot from Chan theory, sometimes I want to make some contributions
to Chan community.

I would like to discuss any issues in Chan theory and wish more people to realize
the importance of theory.

捷思

学习一下线段划分

如果79低于77，则线段破坏成立。

doubleedgesoft

Thank 捷思, I upload another picture to correct.

doubleedgesoft

It's very important to understand this type of line definition.

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doubleedgesoft 发表于 2013-1-12 03:50 PM
I learned a lot from Chan theory, sometimes I want to make some contributions
to Chan community.  ...

多谢老大。这也是开这个CLUB的目的。

小弟才疏学浅，只能仰仗各位高人传播缠论，但保证端茶送水，屋明瓦净这类琐事小弟是没问题的

捷思

提问：SPY 1/8 到1/11为什么是一个1分级别走势?有几个中枢？分别在什么位置？

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捷思 发表于 2013-1-13 02:28 AM
学习一下线段划分

如果79低于77，则线段破坏成立。

when 76 is broken, should not we change to bearish view? it turned out later that 79 is higher, which then reversed the view. From the perspective of trading, how do we handle it correctly and safely?

1) enter shorts when 76 is broken, and set a stop at the price of 75 or 77 ？

2) Wait for the completion of 79, and then decide whether or not to short? In this case, the answer is NO when looking backwards. So the question is how to judge the end of 79 on real time. Apparently it requires to look at the price evolution of at least one level down.

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捷思 发表于 2013-1-13 11:07 PM
提问：SPY 1/8 到1/11为什么是一个1分级别走势?有几个中枢？分别在什么位置？

by using the chart of "doubleedgesoft" in #11, the upward line has not been officially broken during the period. It contains 4 中枢。

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doubleedgesoft 发表于 2013-1-13 01:52 PM
It's very important to understand this type of line definition.

could you look at my question in #15 too at your convenience? thanks

捷思

bucks 发表于 2013-1-14 07:16 AM
could you look at my question in #15 too at your convenience? thanks

级别。76点破坏时，可能开始一个1分线段下跌。要演化为30分级别下跌，首先要出现小级别3卖。当下为30分，5分，1分级别上涨，操作上最多是减仓，不应做空。（实际操作我把握不好，不是什么高手）。
即使下跌，也可能是5分中枢震荡。

doubleedgesoft

bucks 发表于 2013-1-14 10:15 AM
by using the chart of "doubleedgesoft" in #11, the upward line has not been officially broken duri ...

You are right, the SPY chart in 1 minute created one perfect short chance at 147.06. As I said on Friday,
when AAPL breaks down 501.23, the bottom pattern on Monthly chart is formed completed unless AAPL
could go up $700 in this month.

HPQ and Dell brought up SPY today, but SPY went down on in the end. Hold short until SPY will break 147.15.

doubleedgesoft

捷思 发表于 2013-1-14 11:20 AM
级别。76点破坏时，可能开始一个1分线段下跌。要演化为30分级别下跌，首先要出现小级别3卖。当下为30分 ...

When SPY is in new high position, it's worthy to play 1F because it works like 60F.
Please read Chan theory again.