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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-5 01:05 PM | 显示全部楼层


heheboy 发表于 2012-11-5 12:52 PM
I think they have about 0.5 mil agents worldwide, their customers are mostly the ones without bank a ...

I haven't used WU myself.
I talked to a friend during the weekend. She works at WU part time on weekend.
She said a lot of people uses WU to sent money around.
Some sent $50 within US and WU charges $5. But sending thousands of dollar back to China only cost only $15.
It kinda surprised me why they charge so much to send money around US -_-!
Yes you are right. Many immigrants aren't tech savvy and they use WU to sent money.
WU is move than hundred years old and it is the biggest player in the field, it is a good value play at this price.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-5 02:00 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-11-5 03:09 PM 编辑

went to mall during weekend
visited apple store and target, iPad mini sold out at both store.

Apple store crowded as usual. iPad mini's build quality and design is the best in 7 inch tablets. Macbook pro retina is amazingly thin and light. It's a beautiful device to hold and use. The screen is amazingly clear. I can't wait to see the new iMac. The Time Capsule is $299, which is not that expensive because it is a Wireless Router + 2TB Hardrive that has wireless access for all Apple products. I compared prices on newegg: getting a wireless router with USB3 cost around $110, getting a 2TB hard drive is about $120. But the Time capsule implements two device into one.

Nook HD+ is out, played with it for a while. I am impressed that it's quality is better than Kindle. However software is a little laggy, it needs improvement patches. Not a suprise because B&N is a much smaller player with limited resource and it has to compete with the big players like Google and Amazon. I hope it can survive...if B&N closes, I have less place to hang out...

I just realized Victoria's Secret is owned by Limited Brands (LTD).

Damn it...If I knew that before, I would probably bought some! Why? Because Victoria's secret have the hottest models in any clothing brand!! Simple psychology? If guys think they are hot, girls will buy from them? (even though my female friends told me Victoria's bra is uncomfortable)...

When I think about clothes commercial, I think about Victoria's Secret, can you say the same for another brand? hmm...When I think about car insurance, I remember Geico. Some of Apple's commercials are good...But in term of female clothes, Victoria's is the most widely remembered by male...

LTD had quite a run from 2009 low.
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jamesmith 发表于 2012-11-5 02:00 PM
went to mall during weekend
visited apple store and target, iPad mini sold out at both store.

I bot LTD back in 2009....but sold earlier, same as LVS..sigh...very mhp.


jamesmith, can you take a look at NYX? the holding company of NYSE...basically it is the casino (but itself doesn't trade)

I hold this guy for some months now, pays good dividend, and very stable, but seems up is limited, today has a big drop. i am thinking of adding more.

i wonder if you can estimate its fair value...

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-8 08:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-11-9 11:30 AM 编辑
heheboy 发表于 2012-11-6 04:54 PM
I bot LTD back in 2009....but sold earlier, same as LVS..sigh...very mhp.


Here's the cheat sheet for NYX :)
NYX.pdf (30.54 KB, 下载次数: 13)

I took a quick look, but wasn't sure how to value it...it's net income didn't show a clear uptrend, so I don't have any confidence predicting future income.
The market cap is $5.7 Billion now and Shareholder Equity is $6.46 Billion, 11.8% discount, this make it look cheap. However looking at its balance sheet, huge portion of its asset is goodwill and intangible assets. It's hard to say how much they really worth.

It's EPS recovered quite a bit from 2008, but share prices didn't. It increased dividend at 2008 and kept it there, so it doesn't have a history of continuously increasing dividend. But it has a >5% dividend yield.
Compare to its own historical prices, it is certainly cheap now. But I don't know how to value it. I will look at it more later :)

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-9 11:13 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-11-9 11:28 AM 编辑

KYAK arbitrage opportunity.
PCLN announced acquisition of KYAK, I thought this would be interesting to plug in Graham's formula.
Current price is $39.25. Priceline is buying it at $40 per share. Arbitrage profit is $0.75 per share if the acquisition went through. For this deal to went through, shareholders have to vote and regulations have to approve.

annual return = ( C * G - L * (100% - C) )  /  (Y * P)
C = chance of deal going through
Y = holding time in term of years
P = current price
G = gain if deal went though
L = loss if deal didn't went through

KYAK closed at $31.04 before the announcement, if deal didn't go through lost will be $8.21. Let's assume holding time is 1/4 of a year (3 months). Just for example's purpose, let's say we are confident on this deal and chance of deal going through is 95%.

That gives us (.95 * 0.75 - 8.21 * 0.05) / (0.25 * 39.25) = 3.1%
If we have to hold this for 3 months, we have a annual return of 3.1%.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-19 10:20 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-11-19 11:05 AM 编辑

INTC CEO announced retirement at May 2013.
He's been working at Intel for 40 years. During his reign, Intel dominated x86 CPU market. Apple transisioned from PowerPC to Intel.
Market is worried because of his retirement. I think this could be a chance to buy Intel cheap and bought some at $20.
He's retiring at May 2013, but future one to two years business plan should be already made and in process. Plus, Intel is at a bargin price with PE of 8.82 and 4.5% of dividend. It has 10.4 Billion of Cash and short term investment. Free cash flow is 8.121 Billion ! Net Income is 11.9 Billion! Liquidity is not a problem.
If we compare it to 30 year treasury, it only yields at 2.73% currently.
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发表于 2012-11-20 03:33 PM | 显示全部楼层
jamesmith 发表于 2012-11-19 11:20 AM
INTC CEO announced retirement at May 2013.
He's been working at Intel for 40 years. During his rei ...

Today's WSJ has an article about INTC, there are some key concerns - more to lose than to gain:

- PC shippment down 8.6%
- absent from mobile, even if it grabs market share of mobile, those low cost chips will have limited impact on profits;
- Price of Intel chips goes down, someone estimates a 7% decline in 2013
- ARMH is penetrating to PC chips

Just for your reference.

I really believe historical performance in high tech industry is not a reliable indicator of the future performance. Buffet has not yet commanded the rules of investing in high tech, so he stay aside. IBM is not treated by Buffet as a high tech company but a service company, and Buffet is really impressed by the ability of managing capital in IBM.

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-21 11:22 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-11-21 11:35 AM 编辑

A123 Systems Auction

Wanxiang, JCI agree to 12/6 auction. Their bids are due 12/6, sale hearing will be on 12/11. By then, we should have a idea of how much equity will be left to distribute, if at all.

About 25 parties interested in A123 assets are under confidentiality agreements, Timothy Pohl, a managing director of Lazard Ltd. told the court.
Big bidders include: Wanxiang, JCI, NEC Corp, Siemens.

I still have part of the position (10% of initial position) I entered at $0.06. I entered the position because I believe market is in panic and A123 has tangible value more than $0.06 per share. I am thinking about adding some position, after bidding result came out.

AONE is delisted from Nasdaq and its ticker changed to AONEQ. It is trading at $0.0921 or $15.71 million.
June Earning Report has tangible asset of $97.384 million.
The risk here is we don't know how much of the tangible asset is left. A123 filed for bankruptcy on October 16th. How much of the asset did it spend from June 30 to Oct 16? How much can the remaining asset be sold for in auction?

The catalysis of this arbitrage is A123's asset must be valuation to some company. Knowing there are many companies applied to be in the auction proved it.
As a shareholder of the company, more bidder in the auction the better.

However don't put major stake in this arbitrage exercise. It's very risky.
A safe strategy is: wait till auction results come out, and buy it ASAP. Because the size of this arbitrage is so small, big players won't pay attention to it, there will be opportunity for arbitrage.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-23 10:57 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-11-23 11:01 AM 编辑
水明善 发表于 2012-11-20 03:33 PM
Today's WSJ has an article about INTC, there are some key concerns - more to lose than to gain:

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Thanks :)

I understand that Intel is not in the best business. It require high R&D spending to keep the top position, getting into mobile means even more R&D spending. This alone make it not a Buffett stock.

I bought INTC because of its valuation. I try not to let market decide what is good or bad. If something is good, when it is available for lower price, that only makes it better. That said, its not easy...it is very frustrating when holding a stock and it keeps going down. Looking at the company's earning reports and know more about the company before buying lessen the pain a little...

That doesn't mean stop loss is not important...
If I found something valuable but its price keeps dropping to new lows I will reduce my position or get out completely... because it means
1) There's something about the company I didn't see
2) or the selling is irrational. it is very painful to go against irrational selling and it can go on for a very long time. Irrational selling makes price drops to new low, trigger other's stop loss, more selling, bringing price even lower, repeat.

my position in INTC is small (5% of my portfolio)...so I can wait and see, I actually would like it to get cheaper at this point...

About mobile market...
INTC does have a good track record over the years...it is able to get faster, lower power consumption chips out each year.
Does it have the ability to make ARM equivalent chips? YES, it is almost there already with its new Clover Trail processors.
How can it convince people to use its chips for mobile??? Not sure...lower price? better chips than ARM? ability to use x86 apps?

INTC's situation is not nearly as bad as the market thinks. It will likely continue to dominate PC market and that is a market with high revenue and income to pay its dividend. Everyone is so worried because the growth and future of the PC market suddenly changed drastically with introduction of smartphone and tablet....the chip market is always competitive, INTC has proven itself before, I am betting it can do it again...and while we wait, there's the > 4.5% dividend...
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-23 10:59 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-11-23 11:03 AM 编辑
水明善 发表于 2012-11-20 03:33 PM
Today's WSJ has an article about INTC, there are some key concerns - more to lose than to gain:

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Did you pick up some PM in the recent drop? I started a position in PM.
The latest ER missed mainly due to foreign exchange having a negative effect on earning. If we take out the forex effect, it is actually in line with estimate. I am looking at MO as well, it is more diversified compared to PM  (MO invested in Beer as well as cigarette).

TSM also looks good. If Apple does ditch Samsung and use TSM, it could be a good news as well.
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jamesmith 发表于 2012-11-23 11:59 AM
Did you pick up some PM in the recent drop? I started a position in PM.
The latest ER missed m ...

I picked up AAPL @560, again, I jumped in too early, I didn't foresee AAPL could hit 503...
It's a surprise that PM recovered so fast. Congratulations for your smart selection!

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-26 02:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-11-26 04:12 PM 编辑
水明善 发表于 2012-11-25 05:33 PM
I picked up AAPL @560, again, I jumped in too early, I didn't foresee AAPL could hit 503...
It's ...



I also added too early...and the drop was more than what I first thought...

I don't think anyone can foresee the future...as investors we try to identify good business and buy at reasonable prices, I believe Apple is one of them
I bought multiple times during this drop, I bought from $620, $597.21, $546, $520. Luckily $520 and $546 positions are larger compared to the other ones, so I am above water with  profit :D
Now Apple is 50% of my portfolio...I was planning to put more money in my account and keep buying if it drops below $500... (I was a bit nervous to be honest...half of me want it to drop more so I can buy it cheaper, half of me was concerned with the paper loss...)
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-26 03:12 PM | 显示全部楼层
BRK arbitrage?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2 ... USBRE8AB0AG20121112

This is BRK from Canada not Berkshire Hathaway....
The Brick Ltd(TSE:BRK) is currently trading at $5.32. Leon's furniture announced acquisition at $5.4. (dollar amounts are in Canadian dollar).
Leon is buying Brick for $700 million, Leon is financing the deal with $200 million cash and $500 million committed bank facilities. It is highly likely that they can get the financing, so the risk here is pretty low.
0.08/5.32 gives us about 1.5% gain. If we assume the deal will complete in 3 months, we get an annualized gain of 6%. Not enough gain to perform this workout because I will have to take currency risk as well.

Just found out "Canada's Warren Buffett" Prem Watsa is a major shareholder of Brick. Brick's Q3 2012 ER is very impressive.
http://www.istockanalyst.com/bus ... e-rose-36-4-to-0-15

What's interesting is that Prem Watsa also has large position at RIMM.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-11-26 04:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-11-26 04:46 PM 编辑

S&P and Fitcher downgraded Western Union with similar reasons...
1) outlook is bad, branches were closed due to compliance issues
2) raised dividend and continue buyback even though outlook is bad...so they were worried about does WU have enough cash flow to keep up if things got worse
I expressed similar view in the early post...WU's buyback was not a good decision in the previous years. I don't think WU has short term liquidity problems though. if things do get worse, they just have to slow down buyback...however this might effect stock price, and create a even better entry position :)
I still have the position I entered at $12.26...I will set a stop order in case things got worse.

heheboy 发表于 2012-11-5 12:52 PM
I think they have about 0.5 mil agents worldwide, their customers are mostly the ones without bank a ...


Fitcher cuts Western Union rating

Nov 15 - Fitch Ratings has lowered the Issuer Default Rating (IDR) for The
Western Union Company (Western Union) and all senior unsecured ratings to 'BBB+'
from 'A-'. The Rating Outlook is Negative.

The ratings downgrade reflects the following considerations:

--Western Union provided initial guidance for 2013 that is significantly below
expected 2012 results. Specifically, the company believes revenue may be flat to
down modestly but GAAP operating income may be down 10% to 15% as margins
decline.

--The company is planning to lower pricing for international remittance services
in certain corridors beginning in the fourth quarter of 2012 in effort to regain
lost market share in certain regions. The company is also planning to increase
its investment in compliance and technology in the coming year which will
increase operating expenses.

--Western Union raised its dividend per share by 25% beginning December 2012.
Fitch estimates that the company's new dividend rate represents approximately
20% of expected 2013 EBITDA. This level is well in excess of similarly rated
entities at the 'A-' level.

--The board of directors authorized an additional $550 million share repurchase
plan which expires Dec. 31, 2013. The company has $194 million remaining on its
2012 authorization which expires at the end of this year.

--Fitch believes that the company's decision to increase its dividend and
maintain its share repurchase activity in the wake of unusually poor guidance
for 2013 is indicative of a change in philosophy at the company in terms of how
it expects to manage the balance sheet and capital allocation going forward.

Fitch believes there are several drivers behind Western Union's need to reduce
prices. The primary issue is the company's loss of the majority of its agents
for its Vigo and Orlandi Valuta (OV) brands in Mexico related to new compliance
regulations. These brands have historically been positioned as lower priced
service providers for the U.S. to Mexico and Latin America corridors. Fitch
believes Western Union will reduce prices at its Western Union branded agents to
make up for the loss of Vigo and OV agents. In addition, Western Union has held
prices relatively firm the past two years on average across its business which
has resulted in EBITDA margin growth for its consumer to consumer segment but
has evidently led to the company pricing itself out of certain markets. Price
initiatives over the next year are intended in part to offset the lost
competitiveness of the past 24 months.  Fitch notes that the company undertook a
similar initiative related to its domestic U.S. remittance business in late 2009
that subsequently resulted in significant revenue and market share growth.

The Negative Outlook reflects Fitch's belief that there is a significant
increase in event risk following the third quarter earnings announcement as the
stock price has declined nearly 30%. Fitch estimates that Western Union now
trades at a forward enterprise value to EBITDA multiple of approximately 6x.
Fitch believes that this could lead to a potential third party leveraging event,
either in the form of an LBO or an activist investor forcing a leveraged
recapitalization of the company. Of note, Fitch believes that the floating rate
notes due March 2013, the 6.5% senior unsecured notes due February 2014, the
3.65% senior unsecured notes due 2018 and the 6.2% senior unsecured notes due
June 2040 contain some form of a change of control provision.

The ratings could be lowered if Western Union significantly increases leverage
to fund shareholder friendly actions or if EBITDA profit margins do not rebound
from the historically low levels expected in 2013. The ratings could be
stabilized if Western Union's pricing initiatives lead to material gains in
share and revenue growth as well as a rebound in the equity valuation of the
stock.

Fitch believes that Western Union's core business model remains intact as does
its superior competitive position. Fitch believes that cash-based remittance,
particularly on the receive side, will continue to represent the vast majority
of the overall market which limits the potential competition from cash-less
based remittance alternatives. As a result, Western Union's strength in breadth
and scale of agent locations will likely remain fundamental to the business.
Fitch believes that these recent developments may lead to lower EBITDA margin
expectations longer term for the company, although it is equally possible that
margins will rebound with strong revenue growth. Either way, Fitch expects the
company to remain the dominant remittance provider with strong margins and free
cash flow as well as a high return on invested capital. This supports the high
investment grade nature of the credit but also leads to significant event risk
from investors that see an opportunity to leverage the balance sheet.

Credit strengths include:

--Extensive domestic and growing international agent network with a strong
worldwide brand.

--Revenue stability from strong global diversification and consumer exposure.

--An asset-light business model with a largely variable cost structure due to
the company's network of agents which generally own and operate the retail
locations.

Credit concerns include:

--The compliance risks associated with regulations governing Western Union's
business in numerous jurisdictions worldwide. The company recently received a
subpoena by the U.S. Attorney's Office in California related to an investigation
against a former Western Union agent. The company was also notified that it is
the subject of an investigation into structuring and money laundering. It is not
possible to estimate the potential liability, if any, to the company from this
action.

--New payment technologies could challenge traditional remittance services,
particularly if certain economies broadly adopt cashless payments, however, this
trend will likely take years to materially impact Western Union, if at all.

--Event risk dominated by shareholder friendly actions as the ratings
incorporate Fitch's expectation that Western Union will use the majority of its
excess free cash flow for stock buybacks and acquisitions.

--The risk of adverse political environments or legislation impacting migration
flows although this risk is mitigated by Western Union's broad geographic
diversification.

--Significant foreign currency exposure given broad international
diversification although natural hedges in the cost structure of the business
essentially protect profitability as a percentage of revenue.

--Longer term, Western Union is likely to face increased competition from
regional and multi-national banks entering the remittance market. However,
Western Union's relatively unique customer base represents a potential asset to
financial institutions looking to offer traditional services to migrant workers
which the company may be able to monetize in the future.

Liquidity as of Sept. 30, 2012 was solid with cash of $1.4 billion and $1.5
billion available under a $1.65 billion senior unsecured revolving credit
facility, expiring January 2017, which fully supports Western Union's $1.5
billion 4(2) commercial paper program. In addition, free cash flow was
approximately $700 million over the latest 12 month period.

Total debt as of Sept. 30, 2012 was $3.4 billion consisting principally of $150
million outstanding in commercial paper with an average term of one day, $300
million in floating rate (L plus 58 basis points) notes due March 2013; $500
million in 6.5% senior unsecured notes due February 2014; $1 billion in 5.93%
senior unsecured notes due October 2016; $400 million in 3.65% senior unsecured
notes due August 2018, $325 million in 5.253% senior unsecured notes due April
2020; $500 million in 6.2% senior unsecured notes due November 2036; and $250
million in 6.2% senior unsecured notes due June 2040.

Fitch has lowered the following ratings of Western Union:

--IDR to 'BBB+' from 'A-';
--Senior unsecured to 'BBB+' from 'A-'; and
--Senior unsecured credit facility to 'BBB+' from 'A-'.

Fitch has affirmed the following ratings of Western Union:
--Short-term IDR at 'F2';
--Commercial paper (CP) program at 'F2'.

The Rating Outlook is Negative.

WHAT COULD TRIGGER A RATING ACTION

Future developments that may, individually or collectively, lead to negative
rating action include:

--A significant increase in leverage to fund shareholder friendly actions; or

--If EBITDA profit margins do not rebound from the historically low levels
expected in 2013.

Future developments that may, individually or collectively, lead to positive
rating action include:

--The current Rating Outlook is Negative. As a result, Fitch does not currently
anticipate developments with a material likelihood, individually or
collectively, leading to a rating upgrade.
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发表于 2012-11-26 10:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
jamesmith 发表于 2012-11-26 03:06 PM
I also added too early...and the drop was more than what I first thought...

I don't think a ...

Understand, everyone in the stock market is fighting with both greedy and fear:-)
When AAPL hit 500+, I did not add more for 2 reasons, confidence + weighting in portfolio.
Well, let's see how it works.
Do you make comparison between PM and MO?

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-3 11:37 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-12-3 11:50 AM 编辑
dividend_growth 发表于 2012-11-30 01:36 PM
Intel在移动方面拿不出东西来,就没有底。

Otellini退位是个很坏的信号,好像是丧失信心走人完事的象征。 ...


Don't underestimate Intel's ability to improve their chip designs. They have a great track record. Every year, they are able to come out with new CPU that's faster and more power efficient, and AMD is throwing the towel in x86 market.

Intel is already at 22nm with their high end x86 chips with Ivy Bridge.
It is extremely unlikely Macbook Air will switch to ARM chips.
I am not sure about iPad with x86...
Ivy Bridge on Windows Tablet will be a real laptop replacement...The current Surface with ARM and Atom sucks...

The news/rumor from CNET

CNET reports that Intel is hard at work on reducing the power consumption of its Ivy Bridge chips, opening the door to use of the chips in mainstream tablets and reducing battery needs on small notebooks such as the MacBook Air.
Quote:
Intel will cut power consumption "significantly" for future versions of the chip, an industry source familiar with the chipmaker's plans told CNET.

Intel's most power efficient Ivy Bridge chips today -- used widely in Windows ultrabooks and Apple's MacBook Air -- are rated at 17 watts.

A future version of Ivy Bridge would be rated well below this, the source said.
Intel has already previewed its next-generation Haswell chips that will push power consumption to as low as 10 watts initially, but it seems that Intel is moving to reduce power needs for its chips even before Haswell hits the market.

With future Ivy Bridge and Haswell chips becoming feasible for tablets with their reduced power consumption, there have been rumors that Apple could consider Intel chips for at least the iPad, although Apple seems dedicated to its own ARM-based chip designs for its mobile devices. But with Apple said to be looking to shift away from Samsung for production of its A-series chips, the company is said to be looking at TSMC and Intel as future chip foundry options.

In a research note issued last week, RBC analyst Doug Freedman claimed that Apple is already in talks with Intel on a deal that could see Intel producing A-series chips for the iPhone while Apple shifts to Intel's x86 platform for the iPad.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-5 10:26 AM | 显示全部楼层
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20 ... ock.html?cmpid=yhoo

Intel issued $6 billion of bond for share buy back.
The is the detail:
$3 billion 5-year bond of 1.35%
$1.5 billion 10-year bond of 2.7%
$750 million 20-year of 4%
$750 million 30-year of 4.25%

This is a good move. Intel has good credit and strong financial to get these rates. Intel shares currently has 4.51% dividend. Taking advantage of low interest environment to issue bond and buy back shares actually will save them money and boost working capital.

Let's take a quick look at its balance sheet.
Intel 6b bond.JPG

Current ratio went up because they have more cash, and 38.77% of the assets are financed with debt. Given Intel's strong financial and even stronger cash cushion, there is no short term liquidity risk. I plan to increase my position in Intel.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-10 03:10 PM | 显示全部楼层
jamesmith 发表于 2012-11-21 11:22 AM
A123 Systems Auction

Wanxiang, JCI agree to 12/6 auction. Their bids are due 12/6, sale hearing w ...

A123 Systems Auction Result

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/1 ... -of-china.html?_r=0
In the previous post, I said I still have 10% of initial position entered at $0.06 and ready to add more shares after auction result. We have the results now.
Chinese group Wanxiang win the auction with $256.6 million.

Let's look at the Chapter 11 report to see the company's asset and liabilities as of October 31st.
http://ir.a123systems.com/secfil ... 503&CIK=1167178
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The report showed asset of $511,087,000 and liabilities of $370,465,000! The problem is if Wanxiang is paying $256,600,000...that won't be enough to cover all liabilities and shares are likely to have no value. This explains why AONEQ dropped 67.68% today.

Doing my due diligence...I looked further into the document and found this:
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In liquidation process, there are 1) secured creditors, 2) unsecured creditors (grouped under "Liabilities subject to Compromise"), and 3) shareholders.
If we sum the debts with liabilities subject to compromise together, we get $242,682,000, subject this from $256.6 million Wanxiang agrees to pay that will give us $13,918,000. However they still need to pay expensive court fees.
With today's drop, market cap gets down to $3,670,000.
I have no way to determine the court fee now, and this is not a large enough margin to the risk investors need to take for this operation. I will not add any position and will likely sell my remaining position soon.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-11 12:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-12-12 10:53 AM 编辑
水明善 发表于 2012-11-26 10:26 PM
Understand, everyone in the stock market is fighting with both greedy and fear:-)
When AAPL hit  ...


I am probably over concentrated in AAPL...added once again last week. Now AAPL is more than 65% of my portfolio.
I am comfortable with buying AAPL with current valuation and if it goes down to $400, I will probably keep buying by putting more money in my account.
The worry is not if AAPL will drop further, it is that I am aware  this level of concentration will cause me to miss other opportunities. There are some stocks I am looking at trading at attractive prices...

Glad that you brought up MO and PM, they are both excellent investments. I meant to write about MO and PM, but got delayed by work, house closing and my laziness... -_-!

Let's just look at the company without diving into the financial reporting for now.
If we forget about the bad thing about smoking for a while, looking at the dividend history of MO, it's simply amazing. there are very few companies like this.
MO has a long history of uninterrupted dividend.  With all the political, economic troubles MO is able to increase dividends every year from 1989 to 2012!

PM
You probably already know, PM is split into PM international and PM USA. PM international is spun off (the current PM stock).
The brief comparison is that PM is 100% in tobacco, and its business is international (exclude USA). PM's main growth is income growth in developing countries. When people have more income, they can charge higher price for tobacco. For example, the price of marlboro differs state by state.
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Currently PM's biggest revenue comes from Europe, but as Asia, Middle East, Africa's income level rise, PM's revenue will benefit.
This website has Marlboro Red one pack price by country: http://www.humuch.com/prices/Marlboro-Red-one-pack/______/125

MO
MO's tobacco business is PM USA, as the richest country with big population, USA revenue is huge. As of 2012, about 86% of MO's op income is from this.
BUT, MO is more than just a tobacco company.
MO acquired UST in January 6, 2009. UST makes smokeless tobacco and wine. About 12.35% of MO's op income is from smokeless tobacco, this is likely to be the future growth because it is more healthy than traditionally tobacco products. 1.15% of op income is from UST's wine division.
UST itself is a amazing company! It has been paying uninterrupted dividends from 1960 to 2008, and it has 3/4 of smokeless tobacco market dominance. Dividends went from $0.014 in 1960 to $2.52 in 2008. An annual growth of 11.409% for 48 years! This is a classic Buffett Style Company!
UST dividend history USTDivHistory.pdf (28.05 KB, 下载次数: 9)

MO also has a financial service sector. As of 2012, about 3% of op income comes from financial service.
MO owns 27% of SAB Miller. SAB Miller is the second largest Brewing and Beverage in the world. SAB stands for South Africa Breweries. SAB purchased  Miller Brewing Company from MO in 2002 and changed to SAB Miller.

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jamesmith 发表于 2012-12-11 01:14 PM
I am probably over concentrated in AAPL...added once again last week. Now AAPL is more than 65%  ...

congratulation for your 1st investment house purchase.
I am always surprised by your in-depth data collection and analysis. How can you get so much information!
I started to look at MO and PM from anti-inflation perspective, these two companies can raise price much easier than other consumer product companies.
Both MO and PM are good stocks for investment, I believe.

As to AAPL, from PE/valuation perspective, it is not treated so much as a growing company, from price performance perspective, the key concern is the prospect of growth or shrinking of market share. I don't worry so much about market share since the situation is still demand is greater than supply. Therefore, I will hold it for more time. However, I will be more cautious to buy more before I know what new AAPL product will be introduced to the market. Hope I-TV is coming.
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