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发表于 2012-12-19 12:20 AM | 显示全部楼层


http://www.businessinsider.com/g ... ng-earnings-2012-12

CHART: 27 Years Of Failed Wall Street Earnings Forecasts

As Wall Street's top strategists publish their 2013 stock market forecasts, Gerard Minack is mulling over Wall Street's embarassingly poor track record of predicting earnings, a key driver of stocks.

Minack, Morgan Stanley's Head of Global Developed Markets, notes that "consensus forecasts almost always imply that 2-3 years ahead economic and earnings growth will be at trend."

More from Minack:

As they say, forecasting is difficult – particularly the future. Consensus earnings forecasts show just how difficult: Exhibit 1 illustrates consensus EPS forecasts for the S&P 500 from 1985, with the initial forecast for each year indexed to 100.

Here's that chart. The farther the colored line strays from 100, the more inaccurate the initial forecast:
(i didnt copy chart)

Here's Minack's take on earnings forecasts as seen in this chart:

First, they are almost always wrong – almost always because they are too high. The initial forecast has been too low only twice in the history of this series; otherwise, it was too high. On average, the forecasts have been 61⁄2% too high one year ahead (that is, actual EPS were on average 61⁄2% below the EPS forecast a year earlier). The average error two years ahead has been 111⁄4%.

Second, forecasts for growth rates are also typically too high, with a larger error than for EPS levels. On average, forecasts have implied 151⁄2% EPS growth over the next 12 months; on average, EPS have risen 71⁄2%.

Third, revisions to two-year-ahead EPS largely reflect the error to current year forecasts. Exhibit 2 shows revisions to the two-year-ahead EPS forecast and the error in the current year forecast. To illustrate: EPS over the year to September 2012 were 5.5% lower than the forecast made a year ahead (in September 2011). As that error appeared, the two-year-ahead EPS forecast (earnings for the year to September 2013) were cut by 7.7% between September 2011 and September 2012.

Here's that second chart:
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-1-2 02:29 AM | 显示全部楼层
回顾一下关于fiscal cliff的预测:

http://www.hutong9.net/forum.php ... 07&fromuid=9090
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-1-7 06:38 PM | 显示全部楼层
2% GDP growth, 7.7% unemployment rate, that's what analysts expected for the whole 2013. Fundamentals can only  support the market to rise SLOWLY. With debt ceiling down the road, Q4 retail sales not exciting, and SPX at all time close high after 2007, down would be the good bet.
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-1-9 09:30 PM | 显示全部楼层
本季ER被低估(from Barron's)
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-1-11 06:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-1-24 12:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
大盘,金子,金矿,和果果
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-1-26 04:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-1-30 12:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-1-30 10:55 PM | 显示全部楼层
Every bottom start from short covering, and every top start from profit taking.

Converse is not necessarily true.

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-2-7 12:30 PM | 显示全部楼层
虽然没蒙中具体的number,但是jobless claim number超预期,大盘下跌中,这两点还是对了。原因在这里。

http://hutong9.net/forum.php?mod ... 56&fromuid=9090

就业没有实质性转好, private sector无法offset fiscal tightening, consumer confidence turning south, 股事想不跌也难。

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-2-14 12:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
昨天猜今天jobless claim好于预期,果然数据不错。可惜大盘被欧洲市场拖累低开。虽然低开在昨天地点之下,还是顽强翻绿,可见现在的形势是美国好,欧洲烂。另外RUT强于SPX,黄金夜盘涨,早盘跌,也印证了这一点。短期内这一趋势可能持续。即将到来的auto spending cuts会不会对美股造成压力?我觉得至少下周不会,因为下周美国国会休会,这方面不会有任何消息。所以有可能一直牛到2/22。

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-2-21 01:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-2-27 03:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2013-2-28 11:57 PM | 显示全部楼层
Diffusion 发表于 2013-1-30 11:55 PM
Every bottom start from short covering, and every top start from profit taking.

Converse is not  ...

第一句话不完全同意。第二句话“Converse is not necessarily true. ”是什麽意思?
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-1 12:00 AM | 显示全部楼层
MFTHT 发表于 2013-2-28 11:57 PM
第一句话不完全同意。第二句话“Converse is not necessarily true. ”是什麽意思?

反过来就不一定对了
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发表于 2013-3-1 12:11 AM | 显示全部楼层
Diffusion 发表于 2013-3-1 01:00 AM
反过来就不一定对了

OK. 第二句也不完全同意。

不过这个议题毫无争辩意义。

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-5 02:33 PM | 显示全部楼层
个股大概有几种炒法:
1. 超跌反弹
2. 上升趋势
3. 消息驱动
4. 价值投资

炒股就是炒人。一个股票符合的情况越多,你的同道也越多,股票按你的方向走的可能性也越大。
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-8 07:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
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