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发表于 2009-3-1 03:02 PM | 显示全部楼层


that's why biopharm industry cannot bring the economy out the economy downturn like IT bubbles. You could create a IT start-up company with a few persons.
for Biopharm, it takes time, and a huge effort from multidisciplinary scientific team consists of drug discovery, cell culture, fermentation, downstream processing, analytical and formulation, plus quality assurance, regulatory affairs, on and on.....
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 03:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
99# 笑口常开

谢谢分享!

偶也觉得,现在美国大药厂日子难过,但WX的市场还是有可能继续增长,可以从美国大药厂的瘦身和重组中,分一杯羹。

美国大药厂,都有自己庞大的研发部门,很大一部分相互重复,浪费很大。如果能外包出去,更有效率。当然,这里还有知识产权的问题。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 03:11 PM | 显示全部楼层
100# 笑口常开

BRLI??

没查到BRL。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 03:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
that's why biopharm industry cannot bring the economy out the economy downturn like IT bubbles. You could create a IT start-up company with a few persons.
for Biopharm, it takes time, and a huge eff ...
maomi 发表于 2009-3-1 15:02


严重支持!

搞化学和生物,周期长,投入大,成功率低。而金融和IT,似乎成功率比较高,周期短。
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发表于 2009-3-1 03:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
102# spy2009

It is Barr lab. It was bought by TEVA ( $66.6). Its old BRL not exist any more.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 03:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
105# 笑口常开

I see, thanks,
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发表于 2009-3-1 03:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
88# 笑口常开

For generic drug related info, please pay attention to 笑口常开, as I am working in biopharm for developing biomolecule-based drug, specifically in drug production for clinical trial or commercial market. Therefore,  my info on generic drug is not complete, and don't want to mislead HTers.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 03:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 spy2009 于 2009-3-1 15:35 编辑

呵呵,多谢maomi, mab, 笑口常开三位行家的分享。

没办法,专业知识太多,如果讲得太通俗,又容易会误导。希望对HT邻居们有帮助,而不要被吓怕了。

"NND,只是你们这帮搞化学和生物的人的股,你们自己玩去吧!!"
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发表于 2009-3-1 03:33 PM | 显示全部楼层
SPY2009
You may want to read the article below about the how o8 affect pharm company:
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How Change Plays Out
How change plays out will depend not only on the new Whitehouse, but on pharma leaders' ability to adapt to changing times.

Feb 1, 2009
By: Laura Bush
BioPharm International


America's new president has promised change on many fronts, including healthcare. Some of his planned measures will benefit the pharmaceutical industry. Others, however, will present challenges.

One refreshing change is that we will once again have a Whitehouse that values science. For pharma, the most immediate benefit of this change will be lifting the restrictions on embryonic stem cell research. The new administration also believes in funding scientific research, though in today's recession, it is hard to imagine where new research funds will come from.

Expanding healthcare coverage is also a priority for the new administration. As an advocate for universal healthcare (see my editorial from October) I welcome the new president's desire to reform the system, though I believe his plans are not comprehensive enough. Only by requiring that everyone be insured—particularly the young and healthy—will the system work. We also need coverage that is not linked to employment. In the current recession, many Americans will lose their jobs and their healthcare coverage at the same time. That is unconscionable.

How expanded coverage will affect drug sales is difficult to predict, but Obama does have plans to reduce drug costs, through increased use of generics, allowing drug reimportation, and eliminating restrictions that prevent Medicare from negotiating drug prices. All of these measures pose threats to pharma profits. These threats are far from new, however.

Faced with major losses from drug safety problems, looming patent expirations, and generics competition, traditional pharma has increasingly turned to higher-margin biopharmaceuticals. But biologics are not a panacea for pharma's ailments. Safety concerns, for example, can affect any treatment; just think of the label changes to erythropoietin last year. And even though biologics are a growing segment of the overall market, there were still only 13 new biologics approved in the US last year, 10 of which were vaccines (including six flu vaccines), compared to 21 small-molecule NMEs. And the biggest threat to biotech profits, of course, is follow-ons. Europe has demonstrated that it is possible to have a robust system for approving biosimilars, and follow-on biologics legislation in the US is going to come sooner rather than later. Wise companies are preparing for that day. Merck's recent announcement of the formation of a biosimilars division is a sign of this change, although their choice was likely precipitated by a need to recoup their investment in GlycoFi.

Meanwhile, the current lack of venture capital threatens the survival of small biotechs, which have become the lifeblood of Big Pharma discovery. Surely, some of these companies, and the drugs they are developing, will be saved from doom by being acquired at bargain-basement prices. But in today's tight credit market, even Big Pharma's access to credit is not a given.

Ultimately, the success of the industry will depend on its ability to devise new strategies for a new world. This will require thoughtful long-term plans and perhaps some bold moves. As we went to press, one big move was heating up: a Pfizer takeover of Wyeth. Such a megameger doesn't strike me as bold, however; it sounds like more of the same. And given the mixed results of past megamergers, it is far from a guarantee of future profits.

This industry is full of smart, innovative people, so I am optimistic that it will survive. In what form, however, remains to be seen. Ultimately, how change plays out will depend not only on the moves of a new Whitehouse, but on pharma leaders' ability to adapt to changing times.
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发表于 2009-3-1 03:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,多谢maomi, mab, 笑口常开三位行家的分享。

没办法,专业知识太多,如果讲得太通俗,又容易会误导。希望HT邻居们,不要被吓怕了。

NND,只是你们搞化学的股,你们自己玩去吧!!
spy2009 发表于 2009-3-1 15:32


Hehe, I don't buy biotech stocks, including my own company's stock, although my company's stock performs better than Pfizer's during the economy downturn.

As I said before, some small drug discovery companies will go bankrupt later this year because burning out of cash. Some will be acquired by big pharm to strengthen their product pipeline, and to speed up the process of bringing drug candidates to market.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 03:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
109# maomi

YES!

偶对SSRX很有兴趣,虽然还没有购进。但是老大说的biosimilar和follow-on危险,的确是大风险。
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发表于 2009-3-1 05:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
99# 笑口常开

to 笑口常开, you actually mentioned my company. I am aware that it established a subdivision in Shanghai through acquisition of two previous joint venture partners (two local pharmaceutical companies) in Aug 2008. I am curious if my company canceled the outsourcing to WX since then.

To SPY2009,
I just checked my email that I received about the positions that offered in China in Nov 2008. It was WX indeed (my basic instinct is right). Multiple high level (director) positions were opened, and then canceled when the Bayer guy quit the job and to join WX. It is a warning sign for WX. Therefore, don't buy WX!!!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 05:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
看到一则新闻,讲年初AOB买了一幢价值七千万美元的楼,因为涉嫌炒房地产而引发股票大跌。
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发表于 2009-3-1 07:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
111# spy2009

Maomi: You work for Schering?  TRA is a potential blockbuster?
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 07:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 spy2009 于 2009-3-1 19:49 编辑

112# maomi

Thanks maomi LaoDA.

NND, 打倒WX!!!
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发表于 2009-3-1 07:58 PM | 显示全部楼层
114# 笑口常开

You seems very familiar with Schering. It has very strong product pipeline comparing to its peers. I would not comment more than that, sorry.
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发表于 2009-3-1 08:10 PM | 显示全部楼层
For stock trading, I am new frog too. Just come here to learn.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 08:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,干一行,容易爱一行。而炒股,纯粹是赢钱,真的不能放其它东东。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 08:18 PM | 显示全部楼层
无锡药明康德(WX):全球50大创新公司第八

  2月23日消息,据国外媒体报道,作为与《财富》和《商业周刊》齐名的美国最具影响力的商业杂志之一,《Fast Company》近日评出了2009年度“创新企业50强”,排名首位的是成功将巴拉克•奥巴马(Barack Obama)推上总统宝座的“奥巴马竞选团队”。
  此外,谷歌位居第二、苹果第四,思科第五、英特尔第六、亚马逊第九、惠普十二、诺基亚十三、Facebook十五、IBM十九、任天堂二十一、微软三十四。另外,还有两家中国企业上榜,分别是排名第八的无锡药明康德新药开发有限公司和位居第四十五位的比亚迪。
  1. 奥巴马竞选团队
  2. 谷歌
  3. 视频网站Hulu
  4. 苹果
  5. 思科
  6. 英特尔
  7. 数字收音机产商Pure Digital
  8. 无锡药明康德
  9. 亚马逊
  10. Ideo设计公司
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 08:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
2008年6月10日,药明康德与阿斯利康签订一项新的为期3年的合作协议。   

10月16日,药明康德与比利时扬森制药公司分公司强生制药研发公司达成协议将扩大双方在医药研发服务领域的合作;

11月8日,药明康德与辉瑞签订一项为期三年的药物体外ADME(吸收、分布、代谢、排泄)合作新协议;

据药明康德与强生达成的新协议,药明康德作为强生制药研发公司合成化学的首选研发服务供应商,将向其提供贯穿发现化学、生物研发、化学和分析开发服务、制剂开发、前临床和生物分析服务等领域的全方位一体化研发服务,以提高其新药研发效率,缩短研发周期。而根据药明康德与辉瑞签订的新合作协议,两家公司将合作通过ADME测试,对药明康德为辉瑞合成的化合物进行体外筛选服务。以协助辉瑞的科学家们改善化合物的药物代谢动力属性。同样,药明康德将根据阿斯利康提供的设计方案合成化合物,从而协助阿斯利康进一步扩展其全球范围内的化合物收集。
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