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发表于 2009-5-25 05:06 PM | 显示全部楼层


本帖最后由 李隆基 于 2009-5-25 18:11 编辑
给个盘点名单?

Paulson算一个,目前为止最著名的了吧?现在也下台啦。还有谁?Greenspan和Bernanke都不是GS出来的吧?
xiaobailong 发表于 2009-5-25 12:52



Paulson 师父,师兄,师侄们几乎霸占银行业的大部分高级职位。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-5-25 05:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 xiaobailong 于 2009-5-25 18:26 编辑
有道理,但无论在台上在台下,首先是要有实际控制能力。
haoqi001 发表于 2009-5-25 17:06


如果你认为高盛更愿意在幕后操纵一切的话,那么高盛现在如此频繁地被拿到台面上来说,其实就是证明它的实际控制能力不行了或者下降了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-5-25 05:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
Paulson 师父,师兄,师侄们几乎霸占银行业的大部分高级职位。
李隆基 发表于 2009-5-25 18:06


看看haoqi给的链接里面的名单:
The Times points out that Goldman alums include:

    * Former treasury secretary Hank Paulson

    * Paulson's bailout chief Neel Kashkari

    * Interim Treasury investment officer Reuben Jeffrey

    * Key Treasury players Dan Jester, Steve Shafran, Edward C. Forst, and Robert K. Steel

    * Key New York Federal Reserve players Stephen Friedman (head of the New York Fed board of governors, who sat on Goldman's board and owned a substantial stake in Goldman while he was making official decisions - and see this), William C. Dudley (head of the New York Fed's unit that buys and sells government securities), and E. Gerald Corrigan (charged with convening a group to analyze risk on Wall Street)

And there are many more Goldman alums who have been - or are soon to be - appointed. For example, Obama has named Gary Gensler to head the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. And Geithner named Mark Patterson as his top aide last January
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-5-25 05:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
排名第一的Paulson已经下台了。他后面的bailout官员,应该任务已经差不多完成了,没什么实权了吧?剩下的人,并没有特别impressive啊,别的银行或者投资机构难道就没有人在从事类似的职位吗?

美国金融最重要的三个职位:
奥巴马的财政部长跟GS有关系吗?
FED主席Bernanke跟GS有关系吗?
SEC主席,叫什么名字?跟GS有关系吗?
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发表于 2009-5-25 06:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
我的意思是我们不管高盛“想“证明啥,实际上我们更在乎高盛是不是实际上在控制。
如果你认为高盛更愿意在幕后操纵一切的话,那么高盛现在如此频繁地被拿到台面上来说,其实就是证明它的实际控制能力不行了或者下降了。
xiaobailong 发表于 2009-5-25 18:16
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发表于 2009-5-25 06:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
更进一步,我们想确定或否定:这里是不是一个free market?
我的意思是我们不管高盛“想“证明啥,实际上我们更在乎高盛是不是实际上在控制。

haoqi001 发表于 2009-5-25 19:04
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发表于 2009-5-25 06:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
Monday, May 04, 2009
'Goldman Conspiracy:' Explosive 13-episode TV Show

Paul B. Farrell
MarketWatch ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. -- Prediction: The new movie "Public Enemies" will be a mega-blockbuster. Not because everybody loves "Pirates of the Caribbean" star Johnny Depp and Christian Bale, star of "Terminator: Salvation" and "Dark Knight."


No, it'll be a blockbuster because we get a chance to cheer for a new dark antihero, the infamous Depression era gangster, machine-gun-toting John Dillinger: Cheer because this new Dillinger is doing what we all secretly want to do -- rip off our corrupt banking system, turn the tables on the guys who have been ripping us off for too long.


Dillinger must be the guy former SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt had in mind when he told Fortune: "America's investors have been ripped off as massively as a bank being held up by a guy with a gun and a mask." That was the last recession. Today, it's a heck of a lot worse in the "Great Recession:" Bad banks, financial weapons of mass destruction, AK-47 derivatives.


Yes, this time the banks are the gangsters. They're robbing Main Street's Treasury. And it's an inside job. Hank Paulson, the "Goldman Conspiracy's" Trojan Horse, plays a "Dillinger," leading a much bigger conspiracy, the "Happy Conspiracy," that robbed America's 300 million citizens and taxpayers. They made off with trillions, while our "guards," a clueless Congress, laid down their guns and surrendered the keys to the vault. See previous Paul B. Farrell.


The "Happy Conspiracy?" Yes, that's what Vanguard founder Jack Bogle calls Wall Street in his bestseller, "The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism." He sees Wall Street as a "pathological mutation" of capitalism. Adam Smith's "invisible hand" no longer drives "capitalism in a healthy, positive direction." Instead, Bogle sees the invisible hands of this elite "Happy Conspiracy" running capitalism to serve its own selfish, greedy agenda:


"Over the past century, a gradual move from owners' capitalism -- providing the lion's share of the rewards of investment to those who put up the money and risk their own capital -- has culminated in an extreme version of managers' capitalism -- providing vastly disproportionate rewards to those whom we have trusted to manage our enterprises in the interest of their owners."


Today, the "Goldman Conspiracy" is the visible hand of Bogle's invisible "Happy Conspiracy" that's "ripping us off as massively as a bank being held up by a guy with a gun and a mask." Except today: No masks, no guns. Congress just writes blank checks.


The plot's so hot we read all 1,243 comments, emails and links to related Web sites, such as goldman666.com, that were posted on our earlier discussion of this topic. See previous Paul B. Farrell.


What emerged has the makings of what may be the next mega-successful long-running television series. Here are some plot points for the first season:


Episode 1. 'Goldman Conspiracy' as the new Mafia Godfather


Readers are mad as hell: One simply passed on "the inscription on the very first page of Mario Puzo's "The Godfather:" "Behind every great fortune, is a great crime.' So who'll play the new Godfather? How about Michael Chiklis, the corrupt cop in "The Shield?"


Episode 2. 'Goldman Conspiracy' hires Barney Frank guy as lobbyist


Great drama, like "The Sopranos?" A reader sent this Economic Policy Journal report: "The Goldman Sachs relationship with Congress has just gotten even more intimate. Goldman has grown another tentacle, designed to grab directly at the House Financial Services Committee chair Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass. The new top lobbyist, Michael Paese, was recently the top staffer to Frank. He has been a registered lobbyist for the Securities Industries and Financial Markets Association since he left Frank's committee in September." Like Damages and Dexter, you can't just make up a juicy plot like this.


Episode 3. 'Goldman Conspiracy' amassing power to rule the world?


One reader said it all: "This is not about political parties, political movements, or control of political theory. This is about power! Pure, in your face, control of every asset and wealth variable in this world. Goldman Sachs and co-conspirators have control and in the best position for control of much of the world's investments and assets." And many don't like what they see: "Stop the looting. Start the prosecutions. Now!" Unfortunately Goldman is real and more dangerous than the conspiracies Jack Bauer destroys in "24."


Episode 4. 'Goldman Conspiracy' is manipulating stock market


"Something smells fishy in the market. And the aroma seems to be coming from Goldman Sachs," says John Crudele in the New York Post. Stocks prices soaring. "So, who's moving the market?" Not the little guy. "Professional traders, with Goldman Sachs leading the way." NYSE numbers show "Goldman did twice the number of so-called big program trades during the week of April 13," over a billion shares, creating "a historic rally despite the fact that the economy continues to be in serious trouble." Then he tells us why: Because the "Goldman Conspiracy" is using TARP and Fed money, churning the markets. They are "gambling with taxpayer money."


Episode 5. 'Goldman Conspiracy' Cartel? Plutocracy? Dictatorship?


"The Goldman Cartel like the Drug Cartel, like the mafia, like communism. Americans fell asleep at the wheel. We have crashed. We were brainwashed that America was good. We pledge allegiance to the flag, etc." Yes many like this reader were angry, ready to fight, near rebellion, because "now we are a fascist nation, maybe worse."


Episode 6. 'Goldman Conspiracy' repeating record 2006-07 earnings


In "Goldman Sachs boosts risk-taking at the fastest pace on Wall Street," Bloomberg's Christine Harper writes: CEO "Blankfein has shown no inclination to change the business model that helped Goldman Sachs set industry records for earnings and pay in 2006 and 2007." At the November peak of the credit crisis, he said "nothing that happened this year altered the core of what Goldman Sachs is ... we won't stop doing the things that made us a leading investment bank." Harper added: "First-quarter revenue-per-employee and compensation figures bear that out ... Each of the firm's 27,898 employees brought in, on average, $338,017 in revenue" while "compensation and benefits at Goldman Sachs totaled $4.71 billion in the quarter, an average of $168,829 per employee."


Episode 7. 'Goldman Conspiracy' sneaks in another Trojan Horse


Another reader added this: Gary Gensler, another long-time partner in the "Goldman Conspiracy," is Obama's nominee for chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Maybe the "Goldman Conspiracy" really does "own" Washington.


Episode 8. 'Goldman Conspiracy' operates like Las Vegas casino


New York Observer columnist Michael Thomas imagines the Wall Street/Washington merger operating as a "publicly owned casino" where "every grifter, sharpie, shark imaginable" gets to play with our money. "This stinks. Stinks to high heaven. Stinks all the way from Wall Street to K Street, whence you can be sure significant funds have been routed to Congress" as political payoff. And it paid off last week in killing a bill to let bankruptcy courts renegotiate over a million mortgages held by underwater homeowners. The bill was defeated by lobbyists for the same banks taxpayers gave trillions to. The L.A. Times reported that the Consumer Federation of America attributed the defeat to the "bankers continuing clout and to the fact that they are major financial players in campaign contributions, to Democrats as well as Republicans." Remember the fun in TV's Vegas?


Episode 9. 'Goldman Conspiracy' is gambling with taxpayer money


The New York Times reported in "After off year Wall Street pay bouncing back" that average pay is again around $570,000 at the "Goldman Conspiracy" branch of the "Happy Conspiracy." What a comeback: They were virtually insolvent six months ago till Paulson secretly arranged a $50 billion lifeline in a combo of TARP, Fed credits and the AIG bailout. His old "Goldman Conspiracy" buddies then doctored their balance sheets and it was back to "business as usual," echoing the action in "Prison Break."


Episode 10. 'Goldman Conspiracy' expands in shadowy twilight zone


The Fed and Treasury are loaded with Goldman alums, as one reader pointed out, adding three more to Paulson and Neel Kashkari: "Treasury Chief of Staff Mark Patterson, New York Fed President William Dudley and New York Fed Chair Stephen Friedman were once executives, directors or lobbyists for Goldman Sachs." How many more? We have entered "The Twilight Zone," Wall Street's version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."


Episode 11. 'Goldman Conspiracy:' No comparison to founding fathers


Another reader criticized the false choice: "The difference between our founding fathers and the Goldman Gang is the fact that the former risked their own fortunes while the latter risked yours and mine. These two groups shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph. I vote RICO." Another saw no "change" when it comes to the "Goldman Conspiracy" running our government from the shadows: "It is apparent that Washington lobbyists will not be outlawed, nor Goldman Sachs alumni refused government rule, so nothing will change." Apparently "change" is a great campaign slogan, as long as the "Goldman Conspiracy" gets more control. Think "Terminator" but with no "Salvation."


Episode 12. 'Goldman Conspiracy' really is taking over the world


"How far does 'The Goldman Conspiracy' reach? Truth is stranger than fiction," writes one reader. "The Federal Opposition Leader in Australia, Malcolm Turnbull, potentially the next Prime Minister, is a Goldman Sachs alumni. Spooky!" Yes, he was Chairman, Goldman Sachs Australia. We already reported Goldman Trojans in the Bank of Canada and Bank of Italy, and now see Britain's Independent reporting that Paul Deighton, a Goldman banker, is now planner for the 2012 Olympics; Gavyn Davies, a longtime Goldman economist, was chairman of the BBC network; and Duncan Niederauer, John Thain's former deputy at Goldman, was later with Thain modernizing the NYSE.


Episode 13. 'Goldman Conspiracy' ... can't beat 'em? So, join 'em!


"Goldman people are everywhere" observes a reader. "Perhaps we should all buy Goldman stock? Join the party instead of watching from afar. I think it is very scary, no point in having a stock market anymore." Worse, no point in voting, doesn't matter!


Thirteen episodes are often the number a network buys for a new series. But expect lots more. This one's guaranteed to go on through at least three more seasons to the 2012 election ... probably indefinitely, because the "Goldman Conspiracy" is secretly expanding beyond Washington ... taking over the networks ... Hollywood ...EU ... UN ... ultimately the universe.


Yes, the "Goldman Conspiracy" franchise is more powerful than "Bond," "Batman," "24," "Bourne," "Raiders," "Die Hard" and "The Terminator." See it! Buy it!


Copyright © 2009 MarketWatch, Inc.
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发表于 2009-5-25 07:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-5-25 08:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
我要再大喊一次,高盛不倒,这次熊市不会结束!
xiaobailong 发表于 2009-5-25 11:23

太支持你了,高盛这种仅为自己的私利而祸国殃民的行为应该要遭到天谴的,
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发表于 2009-5-25 08:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
美国政府已经换了一批人了啊,GS背景再深,难道能够把所有可能的美国总统候选人都囊括进去吗?甚至包括当初名不见经传的奥巴马?

GS的背景,从PAULSON直接出任美国财长,就能看到已经是强驽之末了,不得不派遣 ...
xiaobailong 发表于 2009-5-25 11:34

再顶
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发表于 2009-5-25 08:18 PM | 显示全部楼层
GS到不到, 不是我辈等人能够预测得了的。。
usami 发表于 2009-5-25 13:34

眼看他起高楼,眼看他宴宾客,眼看他楼塌了, 其实都是弹指一挥间的事儿
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发表于 2009-5-25 08:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
如果你认为高盛更愿意在幕后操纵一切的话,那么高盛现在如此频繁地被拿到台面上来说,其实就是证明它的实际控制能力不行了或者下降了。
xiaobailong 发表于 2009-5-25 18:16

事实上GS在同业间已犯了众怒,成为众矢之的是必然的,它自己很清楚的
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发表于 2009-5-25 08:45 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-5-25 09:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
11# elme

Support!!!  The base of GS is so strong!
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