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发表于 2009-2-28 07:04 PM | 显示全部楼层


你是分析美国的还是中国的?不管是制药还是医疗体系差别都巨大啊。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-2-28 10:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
你是分析美国的还是中国的?不管是制药还是医疗体系差别都巨大啊。
lami 发表于 2009-2-28 19:04


现在美国医疗股不行,估计还不是入场的时候,而国内还不错,所以偶觉得现在暂时的重点是国内。当然欢迎拍砖。
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发表于 2009-3-1 12:29 AM | 显示全部楼层
MYGN, MYL, TEVA这几天没怎么跌。

尤其是以色列的TEVA,是世界上最大的generic drug公司,在这次熊市中表现的太强了:

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发表于 2009-3-1 12:32 AM | 显示全部楼层
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China as a Biopharmaceutical Powerhouse: Just a Matter of Time
Despite serious obstacles, development marches ahead
Dec 1, 2007
By: Eric S. Langer
BioPharm International

The 1,000 new cars that appear every day in Beijing every day symbolize rapidly rising incomes; but the resulting pressures on its weak infrastructure show up clearly in contrast: These cars cause so much pollution that Beijing will ban a third of its autos (one million cars) to clean up the air before next summer's Olympics. This situation might be a metaphor for the country's biopharmaceuticals industry: strong prospects, but weak infrastructure. Venture capital and intellectual property issues have gotten attention and appear en route to resolution; but serious gaps remain. Most would agree, however, that the question is not if China becomes a biopharmaceutical powerhouse, but when, and in which segments. Will it be R&D? Biosimilars? Manufacturing/outsourcing? Gene therapy?

The Chinese government has already stated where it believes its biotech industry will be in the next 15 years: In August of this year, China's Minister of Science and Technology, Wang Gang, announced that the country is adopting a 15-year, three-stage strategy to develop its high-tech bio-economy and to create world-class science in biotechnology. According to the plan, by 2010 the country will emerge from a "technology accumulation" stage and move to an "industrialization" stage. The government is targeting nearly $400 billion in annual output from its biotechnology industries, and it sees the segment as a cornerstone of China's national economy by 2020.

Does China's recent progress suggest this is a reasonable possibility? The sheer size of the country's population creates great economic and political pressure to focus on healthcare policy, economics, and infrastructure to ensure the future well being of its citizens. The substantial long-range goals set by the Chinese leadership may be difficult to achieve, however, considering the other demands that are being placed on its economy.

Despite these problems, most life sciences companies worldwide are considering business strategies that include China. This article reviews developments in the last 12 months (from September 2006 to September 2007), as a way to assess how far China's biopharmaceutical industry has come and its prospects for the future.

A REVIEW OF THE STATISTICS

To assess the current situation in China's biopharmaceutical industry, it is worth reviewing the following statistics:

    * China's gross domestic product (GDP) growth has been running at full bore (nearly 8% per year) since 2000.
    * Its pharmaceutical industry represents 5% of the world total.
    * Life sciences revenues in China grew 40% in 2005.
    * By 2010, China is expected by many analysts to become the world's fifth largest pharmaceutical market.
    * Pharmaceutical sales in China will likely exceed $24 billion by 2010.
    * European and American bioscience companies are rapidly forming alliances, opening R&D facilities, planning for sales and marketing operations, and projecting large investments in China over the next 10 years.
    * The number of bioventure deals in 2004 in Asia reached 3,200, matching the total of 3,300 for Europe and the US. The Chinese contribution to this number is increasing rapidly.
    * Offshore IPOs for Chinese companies are picking up. This year, Simcere Pharmaceutical issued an NYSE IPO as a generics manufacturer, and 3SBio Inc. went public on the NASDAQ. Sinovac was the first Chinese biotech company to go public in 2004 (on the AMEX).
    * Though nearly all of China's biologics are copies of Western inventions, China has developed more than 30 biotech drugs and has more than 150 in the pipeline. There are more than 200 Chinese biopharmaceutical companies, and numerous biogeneric drugs, including epoetin alpha and recombinant human granulocyte colony-stimulating factor, are legally manufactured in China.
    * The growing technical experience of Chinese biotechnologists is demonstrated by the fact that that 20% of international, peer reviewed papers in life sciences have at least one Chinese national as an author.
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发表于 2009-3-1 12:33 AM | 显示全部楼层
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PROBLEMS

Most would agree that serious problems exist, and the path of China's economic juggernaut is not unobstructed. China's pharmaceutical industry continues to experience serious, basic obstacles.

Its infrastructure to support quality, good manufacturing practices is underdeveloped by international standards, and its experienced, domestic biologics workforce is limited.

Venture capital is growing in China, but is not readily available, even for solid business opportunities. China also lacks a history of intellectual property protection, and, though it has come a long way, it still has legislative and cultural obstacles to overcome. Lastly, China's support for R&D is very low. It is currently 1.2% of GDP versus 2.7% for the US, according to 2004 figures, and in raw numbers, is 1/20th of US expenditures.

RECENT INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENTS

To paint a better picture of the situation, however, it is instructive to review developments in China in recent months.

Infrastructure and Business Climate

To Western observers, the most visible sign of China's biopharmaceutical growth is probably the increasing activity of foreign companies. In 2007, GlaxoSmithKline opened a $40-million drug research center in China, and expects its staff there will grow to 1,000 in next decade. Eli Lilly announced plans to invest $100 million on R&D in China over the next five years to expand its drug research capacity. Others foreign companies already involved in R&D in China include Novartis, AstraZeneca, Pfizer, and Roche. Foreign activity in China is not limited to Western companies, however. Daiichi Pharmaceutical (Beijing) has announced plans to promote sales of pharmaceutical products of its Japanese parent company in China.

Covance expanded its clinical research operations in China, with a central laboratory in Shanghai to strengthen its network of full-service central laboratories. Three other contract research organizations (Sundia, MediTech, United PharmTech, and HD BioSciences) formed a CRO Service Alliance (CROSA) in Shanghai. These activities may reflect the fact that China ranked first as the "most attractive" low cost outsourcing clinical trial location by AT Kearney. (India and Russia took second and third place, respectively.)

There have also been important deals between Chinese and foreign firms. One notable deal included a collaboration between the Danish Biotech Research and Innovation Center and the Shanghai Institute of Materia Medica on an anti-cancer drug. China Biopharma entered a deal to produce and distribute in China the immunotherapeutic vaccine staphage lysate (for staphylococcal infection), developed by the US-based Delmont Laboratories.

Funding for all this activity took a positive turn as Bio Veda, the first international venture capital fund focusing on life sciences investment in Shanghai, China, was formed.

New Drug Launches

Early-stage research is not the only area of China's biopharmaceutical industry that is showing growth. Ten major new drugs were launched to the Chinese market in 2006, half of which were developed domestically by Chinese companies.

The Chinese company Chengdu Hoist Inc., for example, received approval for a radioactive monoclonal antibody—iodine [131I] metuximab Injection. And China's first human H5N1 avian flu vaccine, developed by Sinovac Biotech Ltd. and China CDC, completed Phase 1 trials.

Foreign-made drugs also entered the Chinese market in the last year. Novartis's hepatitis drug, Sebivo, (being developed jointly by Novartis and US biotech Idenix Pharmaceuticals), received approval from China's State Food and Drug Administration (SFDA). Also, an HIV RT inhibitor in late preclinical development was licensed by the Swedish company Medivir to Guangdong Lantai Viewland Pharmaceutical. Wyeth also announced plans to enter the Chinese vaccine market with Prevnar, a pneumococcal vaccine.

Overall Numbers

The examples above are reflected in the annual output of China's biotech industry, which approached $130 million in 2006. China's medicine and health product imports and exports surpassed $30 billion in 2006, including biochemicals, traditional Chinese medicine, and medical devices.
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发表于 2009-3-1 12:34 AM | 显示全部楼层
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Of course, the domestic industry still has a long way to go. China has 500 biotech enterprises, but a 15-year gap remains between the development of China's biopharmaceutical industry and that of developed countries. In 2006, 900 Chinese pharmaceutical companies stopped production as a result of severe competition, price pressures, and the implementation of regulatory and quality requirements. Forty percent of Chinese pharmaceutical companies claimed losses in 2006, and 60% of pharmaceutical profits in China flowed to wholly foreign-owned or Sino-foreign joint ventures.

In spite of that, China seems to feel that its domestic industry is strong enough that the country can reduce incentives for foreign firms. China announced it would unify corporate tax rates for domestic and foreign companies in 2008. Until now, foreign companies have paid only 20%, compared to 33% that domestic companies pay.

At the same time, however, the government continues to pour money into developing the industry. China announced plans to build the largest protein therapeutics production base, for BaiAo Pharm to produce 200 million capsules and 30 million injectable doses annually of lumbrokinase products. The provincial government in Tianjin announced plans to build the largest flu vaccine production facility in North China.

The Chinese government announced plans to build a dozen first-class biotech centers to provide platforms for the country's biotechnology industry. These will include 10–15 state laboratories, 30–35 national biotech engineering centers, 10–15 genetic R&D centers, 10–15 biotech innovation centers run according to international standards, 80–100 biotech companies, and 10–15 biotech parks and zones.

This government investment seems to be supported by private sector activity. For example, the Huayi Group announced plans to invest $13 million in a pilot project to manufacture "Yishengtai" (rh-YST active peptide), a diabetes medicine developed in China. Shanghai Kehua Bio-engineering Co. Ltd. began exporting HIV test kits through the Clinton Foundation. And a new anti-dementia drug based on traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) was licensed by the Chinese SFDA. This is the first patent licensing to a foreign firm. Beijing SL Pharma received approval from the SFDA to conduct clinical trials of a new genetically engineered medicine, recombinant candida utilis uricase.

Capital activity also showed positive signs. The Chinese diagnostic producer Chemclin completed its first private fundraising round, garnering $5 million in June. Simcere Pharma acquired Shandong Simcere Medgenn Bio-Pharmaceutical Co., through a an acquisition of an additional 10% shares for $3.6 million in cash. Benda Pharmaceutical, Inc., the producer of Gendicine, the world's first commercialized gene therapy medicine for cancer, increased its ownership stake in Shenzhen SiBiono Genetech Corp.

Improving Scientific Basis

China's biopharmaceutical industry is also showing signs of strengthening its scientific underpinnings. A number of examples can be cited to support this:

    * The Shanghai-based National Center for Drug Screening bolstered its new drug research by hiring top Roche and Pfizer scientists as members of its scientific advisory panel.
    * The world's first Helicobacter pylori vaccine completed Phase 3 trials in China. Five patents were granted for the Chinese-owned IP used to develop the drug.
    * A new bird flu vaccine virus was developed through collaborative research by Chinese and American scientists at US and Chinese centers for disease control. The virus was isolated from people infected with the H5N1 strain.
    * On the manufacturing side, a Sino-Cuban collaborative project created China's first automated large-scale mammalian cell culture platform.

CHANGING REGULATORY CLIMATE

The regulatory climate in China, a major concern in the West, is also showing signs of improvement. This year, China's SFDA issued long-awaited regulations on drug registration that (1) intensified requirements for drug safety; (2) integrated supervision resources and clarified responsibilities; and (3) enhanced drug evaluation and approval standards. China announced a new five-year plan to tighten food and drug safety and to contain illegal activities in production and the sale of shoddy pharmaceuticals and foods.

To implement the new regulations, China established a four-level drug administration and inspection system involving 3,509 institutions. The SFDA also announced plans to complete an express examination and approval process for new drugs, to encourage Chinese innovative new drug R&D.
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发表于 2009-3-1 12:36 AM | 显示全部楼层
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The SFDA also enacted new regulations on drug oversight, including new regulations covering exhibitions, channels, cold chain transportation, quality, and other measures.

The government also began to crack down on government corruption. China executed the former SFDA head, Zheng Xiaoyu, in July for dereliction of duty and for taking $850,000 in bribes. Another former SFDA drug registration director was sentenced to death for corruption and dereliction of duty, though his sentence was suspended. The SFDA also banned staff from holding shares in pharmaceutical companies, and created a schedule for local drug administrations with commercial ventures to sever ties.

The crackdown extended to industry, as well. In one example, China's health officials investigated a case involving 1,200 instances of illegal medical advertising. Five medical institutions in Anhui Province were closed and the licenses of nine medical institutions were revoked.

The government revoked 353 licenses for therapeutics for various reasons, including quality, and rejected 3,049 applications for new drugs from August 2006 through February 2007. The SFDA also revoked GMP certificates for Guangdong Bioyee Pharmaceutical Co., due to violation of regulations involving its human immunoglobulin products.

China's SFDA also issued new GLP standards. As of January 2007, all new drug safety evaluations must be conducted in GLP-accredited laboratories. Only 23 laboratories in China are GLP certified.

Some companies are clearly rising to the occasion. SinoBiomed Inc.'s 2,500 square-meter recombinant human interferon GMP production plant in Shanghai has its Chinese GMP certification renewed by the SFDA. The generic drugmaker Zhejiang Huahai Pharmaceutical became the first Chinese manufacturer to pass US FDA inspections (the result of a $13 million, 5-year investment in an anti-AIDS drug).

A series of steps also show that Chinese regulators are paying more attention to drug safety. The SFDA suspended sales of three drugs—the Parkinson's drug Permax; methotrexate, used to treat acute leukemia and rheumatoid arthritis; and Novartis's Zelnorm—because of safety concerns. China's adverse drug reaction (ADR) reports reached a new high in 2006, with 369,392 ADR reports in 2006, up from 173,000 in 2005 and 70,050 in 2004. The higher numbers most likely indicate better reporting rather than actual increases.

INCREASED RESPECT FOR IP

In 2006, Pfizer won an intellectual property (IP) lawsuit for Viagra. As a result, two Chinese companies were required to compensate Pfizer $77,000 for infringing Pfizer's trademark. This suggests an increasing commitment in China to protect IP rights. The fact that the Chinese company involved had appealed the initial decision also indicates a newfound respect for rule of law.

SUMMARY

Predicting economic opportunities in China today remains a challenge. As we track trends and market shifts, we see that the bioscience industries remain a critical component of the economy. China is a centrally planned economy, so market forces are not the only guides. As the country balances its domestic programs with a shift toward a more market-based economy, it is difficult to judge accurately how these market opportunities will balance with current healthcare policies, its direction in life science education, and its economic investment programs. However, recent developments point to generally positive trends.
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发表于 2009-3-1 12:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
Contract Manufacturing in India: Is the CMO Model a Viable Business?
Indian biologics manufacturers can tap into the global biologics market by enhancing their quality image and maintaining cost competitiveness.

Nov 1, 2008
By: Eric S. Langer
BioPharm International
       
Increased competition, patent expirations, and dwindling new-product offerings have put pressure on companies to offload risks by outsourcing. This trend has benefitted established contract manufacturing organizations (CMOs) globally. But for emerging India-based biopharmaceutical manufacturers, the short-term outlook remains a question. As we argue in our report, Advances in Biopharmaceutical Technology in India, the country is still widely perceived as having problems that may hinder future growth in outsourced biologics manufacturing.1


Eric Langer
Although the Indian biopharmaceutical industry has demonstrated its competence in several technical and manufacturing areas such as bioinformatics, small-molecule generics, R&D and drug discovery, and clinical research, industry observers question how India will position itself to offer CMO services. To be successful, CMOs must offer high quality technical know-how, process development competence, and lower cost manufacturing processes.

INDIA'S BIOPHARMACEUTICAL BACKGROUND

India's expertise in biopharmaceuticals dates back to 1925, when Haffkine Institute (Mumbai) began producing vaccines. Today, Haffkine's biopharmaceutical group ranks 37th in our Top 60 Biopharmaceutical Manufacturers in India.2 Until recently, India has been highly dependent on foreign companies to meet the country's growing demand for basic medication. Biocon (#1 in our India biopharmaceutical ranking report), began to change that in 1978, when it became the first Indian company to manufacture and export enzymes to the US and Europe. India is now the largest producer of recombinant hepatitis B vaccine. Serum Institute (ranked #2) claims that one of every two children in the world is vaccinated by their vaccine. Although most major Indian biopharmaceutical companies today are focused on vaccines, the domestic recombinant therapeutic proteins segment is beginning to make progress as well. Today, as they prove quality and cost effectiveness, these companies are beginning to tap into the global markets for a broader array of biologics. The current focus is on obtaining a share of the underdeveloped market and supplying to the World Health Organization (WHO) and other nongovernmental organizations.

RISKY, BUT REWARDING

CMOs that make small-molecule products have definitely been enjoying a boom. From 2004 to 2005, the global pharmaceutical contract manufacturing industry doubled, from about $12 billion to $25 billion.3 By 2006, it had expanded by another 50% to about $35 billion.4

Biopharmaceutical contract manufacturing has tougher requirements for technology, human capital, and regulatory aptitude. In recent years, there have also been signs of adequate capacity, and would-be newcomers to the business have faced significant barriers to dislodge existing players.5,6 The potentially expansive market for biosimilars has yet to take off because the US and Europe have been slow in issuing guidelines in this area.

Despite all this, growth of biopharmaceutical contract manufacturing has been fairly robust at about 25% annually.7 And as Figure 1 makes clear, there is going to be the need for outsourcing capacity at CMOs. Some of that may well be directed toward India.8



According to this year's survey data, 60.4% of biotherapeutic developers plan to outsource at least some production in mammalian cell culture by 2012. Microbial fermentation will be outsourced by 47.6% of biotherapeutic developers by 2012. The fact that manufacturers using mammalian systems have not significantly changed their five-year projection this year suggests a relatively stable production environment.
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INDIA'S RISK-ADDED PROPOSITION

India's challenges and weaknesses associated with biomanufacturing include weak infrastructure, quality management problems, intellectual property (IP) issues, inadequate financial support, and an unclear regulatory environment. While all these are receding, there are still lingering perceptions and realities of technical insufficiency, quality problems, and foreign IP risk. Biomanufacturing is capital- and knowledge-intensive, rather than labor-intensive. As such, one of India's strengths, its relatively low-cost, talented labor pool, does not support this manufacturing segment. In biomanufacturing, any cost advantage can swiftly be wasted through technical or regulatory mistakes, loss of proprietary data, or supply problems associated with biotech-trained labor or logistics infrastructure.9

WEIGHING THE RISKS

Western biopharmaceutical executives have cited India's risky IP climate as one of the major reasons their companies have chosen not to offshore manufacturing to India. In addition, concerns exist over the ability of Asian manufacturers to be cGMP and FDA compliant, to have qualified management and a good track record, and in general to have the collective know-how to operate at Western standards. However, with narrowing developmental pipelines, looming patent expirations, and the failures of would-be blockbuster products, Big Pharma is looking to cut costs wherever it can.

Asia is certainly going to continue to be a major destination for much of the offshoring of small-molecule drug manufacturing in the short-term, and biologics in the longer term. India's perception in the West is evident from a decision by Wallace Pharmaceuticals, an established Indian maker of formulations and active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) in 2004, to purchase Florida-based Goodwin Biotechnology, an established biopharmaceutical CMO. Goodwin announced that it was in talks to provide its CMO services to Indian biopharmaceutical companies, chiefly because the intricacies of biopharmaceutical production require, "an intimate knowledge of what the US FDA expects, how to deal with the FDA, and ultimately, the flexibility to protect the drug sponsor's investment by continuously evolving the processes to the FDA's satisfaction. To do that successfully from India would prove extremely difficult."10

MODEST SUCCESSES

To date, about a dozen Indian biopharmaceutical companies have announced that they are equipped to make biologics for foreign clients. Success in attracting business has been modest, however, and has mostly included contracts for relatively simple APIs and intermediates, and vaccines in particular. Some noteworthy examples of homegrown Indian companies that have demonstrated or are buying world-class capability in biologics manufacturing include:

    * Biocon, India's largest biopharmaceutical company that produces a humanized anti-EGFR monoclonal antibody for the treatment of head and neck cancer. Biocon also makes insulin products for US-based Bentley, Invitrogen, and BMS, and exports statins, which require some biotech-type manufacturing steps, through US distributors. For other clients, Biocon makes enzymes and biologic APIs for immunosuppressants.11
    * Serum Institute remains one of the world leaders in vaccine production. Its product line includes MMR, a quadrivalent vaccine for diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, and hepatitis B, rabies vaccine, and a recombinant hepatitis B vaccine.
    * Intas (ranked #12) provides through its Celestial Biologicals group manufacturing and marketing of plasma-derived products— mainly albumin, immunoglobulin, and coagulation factors (factors VII, VII , IX, XI, and fibrinogen).
    * Avesta Biotherapeutics and Research (ranked #50), a joint venture between Avesthagen and Cipla, purchased Swiss-based Siegfried Biologics, which is expected to be used by Avesta to manufacture its biopharmaceutical products.
    * Bharat Biotech (ranked #6) makes a haemophilus influenza B conjugate vaccine for Wyeth Lederle, and a human lactoferrin product for Agenix, Inc.12 Acambis Plc., a UK-based vaccine developer, has a manufacturing and marketing agreement with Bharat for a Japanese encephalitis vaccine.

Some major Indian pharmaceutical companies such as Dr. Reddy's and Wockhardt are keenly involved in this developing segment. Dr. Reddy's currently markets two generic biologics that are versions of Roche's Rituxan and Amgen's Neupogen. Wockhardt has announced that it will introduce one biopharmaceutical product every year, with plans to seek alliances with biotech companies in the US and the EU.
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LOOKING AHEAD

India's actual and perceived shortcomings have together been detrimental to its ambitions in biologics manufacturing, even with respect to its main cost rival, China. These factors suggest that India is several years away from becoming a major destination for the outsourcing of biopharmaceutical manufacturing. In the long run, however, if Indian biologics manufacturers can establish a track record for recombinant products, enhance its quality image, maintain cost competitiveness, and demonstrate technology transfer and regulatory know-how, they are likely to be in the middle of the next boom in biologics manufacturin
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Hi Mab,
I agree with you that small molecules have many advantages than large molecules, including production, purification, stability, formulation, cost etc.  I said the era of small molecule-based drug is ending, I was referring to the number of small molecule based new drug that made to the market is becoming less and less (close to 0), after a few years booming in combinatorial chemical synthesis, and high throughput drug screening.

As the article mentioned above "Biomanufacturing is capital- and knowledge-intensive, rather than labor-intensive". That's why my company hires so many Ph.Ds to address those issues Even so, we still come across all kinds of challenges every day.
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发表于 2009-3-1 01:17 AM | 显示全部楼层
To SPY2009,
See the articles above for your information regarding outsourcing.

Personally I don't invest in any biopharm company that does not have cash flow, or products. The share price of biopharm company (especially small company) is news-driven, my heart cannot take the big gap down because of bad news from FDA.

I would not recommend to buy chinese pharmaceutical company's share either. My brother owns a company in China to sell drugs for pharmaceutical companies. He does not like to buy stock of Chinese pharmaceutical company. Instead, he asked me to recommend some big biopharm in States for investment. The reason is he is selling some monoclonal antibody-based drug, 5000 RMB/dosage, and it is very effective for some disease, even though the price is a bit daunting.
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发表于 2009-3-1 01:25 AM | 显示全部楼层
Yes, generic drug company is very competitive in this market. Generic drug company does not have to invest big chunk of money for R&D, or clinical trial, and thus they can still be very profitable from generic drugs at cheaper price.
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发表于 2009-3-1 01:48 AM | 显示全部楼层
请问老大是如何改行的啊?
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发表于 2009-3-1 02:03 AM | 显示全部楼层
Hi Mab,
I agree with you that small molecules have many advantages than large molecules, including production, purification, stability, formulation, cost etc.  I said the era of small molecule-based  ...
maomi 发表于 2009-3-1 01:07


Thank you so much for providing these useful information. I guess you may work at business development department.
As I mentioned in my early post, the key for drug discovery is the right targets. All drugs have to work on some targets in the body, either by activating or inhibiting the target, or just for substitution. In human body, they are more targets small molecules can access compared to large molecules, so small molecules will continue to play a dominant role in drug discovery.
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发表于 2009-3-1 02:15 AM | 显示全部楼层
虽然没逛过以前的胡同,这个帖子是不是有点老胡同的味道?
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发表于 2009-3-1 05:11 AM | 显示全部楼层
大家怎么看生物研究设备和医疗器械领域?是不是比较稳定保险?
而且哦爸妈不是放开干细胞研究和加大健保吗。生物应该有个好的发展啊。
另外,老巴抛售强生,是不是觉得衰退要到底了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-1 09:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
虽然没逛过以前的胡同,这个帖子是不是有点老胡同的味道?
ILoveRice 发表于 2009-3-1 02:15


呵呵,偶也是一只新青蛙,不了解以前的胡同。

只是觉得,胡同人才济济,资源不应该只集中在几个大盘和欧元分析的点上,否则实在太浪费了。

这个周末本来打算开太阳能主题窝,没想到生物和化学制药那么HOT,先弄弄这个窝再说。
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