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 楼主| 发表于 2010-6-30 10:29 AM | 显示全部楼层


then shall we follow the non-stop model and short today
zleyre22 发表于 2010-6-30 12:16



这你自由安排,那个model只是个参考。

纯粹trend following的东东,你要注意,主要靠一两单挣钱,输多赢少,但是挣钱的那几单可以连本带利全捞回来。问题是trend following,你要想跟,就得无脑跟,否则你可能正好错过赚钱的那一段。Non-Stop Model,我建议你最好把我chart book里的visiual back test从2004年到现在都仔细看过,好好计算一下,盈率是多少,这样有个心理准备。我这个周末又重新算过,盈率相当的高,可是一定要中间破trendline后套利才行,所以不是那么简单的buy and hold就可以解决问题的。Click here for the first chart.

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发表于 2010-6-30 10:32 AM | 显示全部楼层
现在股市汇市债市商品全都在等,

但我确信,如果SPX 突破1049ish,EURUSD就会突破1.2300一路向上 ...
X!nG 发表于 2010-6-30 12:27



    这波反弹欧元比英镑还差,欧元盘子大,用什么要素往上顶? 黄金吗?
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:32 AM | 显示全部楼层
狗剩说了,如果今天死皮不能收过1084;他们也不想托盘了。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-6-30 10:33 AM | 显示全部楼层
thanks. that's what i remembered when i drove to Montreal many years before.

it is rid ...
lite1067 发表于 2010-6-30 12:15



    加拿大油贵,那是因为加拿大各级政府收费收得贵,不是油本身贵。
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:33 AM | 显示全部楼层
ST?
abaqus 发表于 2010-6-30 12:25



DT还是ST我不确定,

但如果突破上方至少有10个点的利润...

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发表于 2010-6-30 10:35 AM | 显示全部楼层
这波反弹欧元比英镑还差,欧元盘子大,用什么要素往上顶? 黄金吗?
hbw 发表于 2010-6-30 12:32



用英镑,你看看EURGBP就知道EURUSD的动力从哪来了...


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发表于 2010-6-30 10:35 AM | 显示全部楼层
DT还是ST我不确定,

但如果突破上方至少有10个点的利润...
X!nG 发表于 2010-6-30 12:33



    1048阻力挺强
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-6-30 10:39 AM | 显示全部楼层
这帮魁瓜脑瓜都锈逗了,好东西不学,尽跟法国佬学些偷懒耍赖乱花钱的本事
法国这么大的经济体,都禁不 ...
layschips 发表于 2010-6-30 12:29



    天朝没希望。还是简单的重复历史,一旦有点钱,就大兴土木,历朝历代哪次不是这样?最后呢?

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发表于 2010-6-30 10:39 AM | 显示全部楼层
这你自由安排,那个model只是个参考。纯粹trend following的东东,你要注意,你要想跟,就得无脑跟
Cobra 发表于 2010-6-30 12:29


the most valuable post I saw here today
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:42 AM | 显示全部楼层
DT还是ST我不确定,

但如果突破上方至少有10个点的利润...
X!nG 发表于 2010-6-30 12:33



    then the price need to hold in here & break out upside of the formed rising wedge ...
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:42 AM | 显示全部楼层

get ready for throw back.
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
1048阻力挺强
Diffusion 发表于 2010-6-30 12:35



恩, 估计可能大概还会尝试一次,

如果过不去牛牛就洗洗睡吧...
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-6-30 10:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
the most valuable post I saw here today
mikeqc 发表于 2010-6-30 12:39



    一般人是做不到的,所以,我觉得这个model用处不大,以后可能也就在表里最上面显示是buy还是sell就可以了,没必要单独再列一表。
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
天朝没希望。还是简单的重复历史,一旦有点钱,就大兴土木,历朝历代哪次不是这样?最后呢?
Cobra 发表于 2010-6-30 12:39



    I feel painful when I read the history books...
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:45 AM | 显示全部楼层
sp在横盘,狗盛在跌,不是好现象哈
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-6-30 10:46 AM | 显示全部楼层

那,这个就是著名的所谓MA50和MA200的death cross。测试结果,其实不咋的,相信没人能等个几十年一直坚持到盈利。这是trend following system的通病。

 

 

The "Death Cross"

 

Sometimes a technical signal will occur that generates an unusual amount of questions, and over the past week that has been the case with an imminent crossover in some longer-term moving averages.

 

Last week, we looked at the 10-week/30-week crossover in the S&P as well as the slope of the 150-day moving average.  Both had garnered media attention as imminent sell signals for stocks, though their records were spotty.

 

The current nail-biter is the horribly-named "death cross", when the 50-day moving average crosses below the 200-day moving average.  We've looked at this in the past, along with its mirror-image "golden cross", and usually we come out un-impressed.

 

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Like usual, let's forget the textbooks and opinions and instead look at history.  Here are the results of going short on a bearish crossover and covering when they gave the opposite signal:

 

Net Profit/Loss:  +646 points (versus +1,056 for buy-and-hold)

Winning %:  35%

Average Winner:  14.2%

Average Loser:  -7.9%

Maximum Drawdown:  -357 points (versus -889 for buy-and-hold)

 

Note that this strategy calls for going short, so a positive outcome means that stocks declined.

 

Most trend-following strategies, especially using moving averages, have a very low winning percentage, especially especially those that sell short, so a 35% winning rate isn't all that unusual.  At least it made money.

 

But...

 

Out of the gross 646 points of profit, 589 of them came from one trade (the 2008 bear market).  And 459 of them came from one other trade (the 2001-2002 bear market).  So those two trade alone accounted for 1048 points...which means that the other 44 trades netted -402 points.

 

That is the great frustration with trend following - you'd better take every trade, and you'd better trade it for a long time (or trade a lot of markets), because you never know when that one trade is going to come along to finally make you profitable.

 

In fact, if you started trading this system back in 1928, you would have had to wait until 2002 to show a profit (there were some decades that were profitable, but overall the losses from the unprofitable ones ate them away).

 

Here is the breakdown by decade:

 

  Average Return % Winning %
1930s -1.4% 44%
1940s +0.2% 50%
1950s -2.5% 0%
1960s -1.3% 50%
1970s +2.8% 40%
1980s -2.5% 25%
1990s -7.1% 0%
2000s +15.5% 50%

 

The strategy was piss-poor every decade, until we finally arrived in the 2000s with the wide, steady swings in prices.  Up until the past 10 years, you wouldn't have done much at all by trying to time the market using these moving averages.

 

Instead of waiting for a bullish crossover, here are the results the given number of days after sell short after the "death cross":

 

 

1 Week

Later

2 Weeks

Later

1 Month

Later

3 Months

Later

6 Months

Later

1 Year

Later

Avg Return +0.4% +0.3% +1.2% -2.0% -3.0% -2.7%
% Positive 48% 43% 59% 52% 50% 43%

 

It really didn't make much different at all in the numbers if the 200-day average was sloping up or down at the time of the cross - except for one month later, it was a poor strategy for selling short.

 

Usually, stocks rebounded in the short- and long-term after these crossovers, though the signals were inconsistent.  That's the problem with these things - they will keep you out of the worst bear markets, and if that's your biggest concern then by all means reduce risk when they occur.  But you'd better have a strategy for getting back in, because more often than not they do nothing but whipsaw back and forth.

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发表于 2010-6-30 10:46 AM | 显示全部楼层
用英镑,你看看EURGBP就知道EURUSD的动力从哪来了...
X!nG 发表于 2010-6-30 12:35



    EURGBP有人认为价值回归。当时英国在危机时刻慌不择路把自己贬下来保对欧洲的出口。现在如果有通缩前景,出口恢复经济也是个伪命题。如何自我约束和对本地制造业的贸易保护才是正道。英国和德国的意思很统一的。英镑不跌可以保欧元的底部不太低,但没有进一步向上冲高的要素。只有黄金,回落上攻或横盘突破三角形向上。现在急需美日活跃带动投机情绪。

看石油下落了,黄金如何走?
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:46 AM | 显示全部楼层
wedge broken down side...
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:47 AM | 显示全部楼层
buy dip a little here
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发表于 2010-6-30 10:47 AM | 显示全部楼层
sp在横盘,狗盛在跌,不是好现象哈
xiaochong 发表于 2010-6-30 12:45



    老大说了,前面还有更低,所以不能急哈
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