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[灌水] 美国的共产主义萌芽?还是无赖国家的证明?

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发表于 2010-6-1 09:31 AM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


看看这个,还能说什么?

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Owners Stop Paying Mortgage ... And Stop Fretting About It
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On Monday May 31, 2010, 8:55 pm EDT

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — For Alex Pemberton and Susan Reboyras, foreclosure is becoming a way of life — something they did not want but are in no hurry to get out of.

Foreclosure has allowed them to stabilize the family business. Go to Outback occasionally for a steak. Take their gas-guzzling airboat out for the weekend. Visit the Hard Rock Casino.

“Instead of the house dragging us down, it’s become a life raft,” said Mr. Pemberton, who stopped paying the mortgage on their house here last summer. “It’s really been a blessing.”

A growing number of the people whose homes are in foreclosure are refusing to slink away in shame. They are fashioning a sort of homemade mortgage modification, one that brings their payments all the way down to zero. They use the money they save to get back on their feet or just get by.

This type of modification does not beg for a lender’s permission but is delivered as an ultimatum: Force me out if you can. Any moral qualms are overshadowed by a conviction that the banks created the crisis by snookering homeowners with loans that got them in over their heads.

“I tried to explain my situation to the lender, but they wouldn’t help,” said Mr. Pemberton’s mother, Wendy Pemberton, herself in foreclosure on a small house a few blocks away from her son’s. She stopped paying her mortgage two years ago after a bout with lung cancer. “They’re all crooks.”

Foreclosure procedures have been initiated against 1.7 million of the nation’s households. The pace of resolving these problem loans is slow and getting slower because of legal challenges, foreclosure moratoriums, government pressure to offer modifications and the inability of the lenders to cope with so many souring mortgages.

The average borrower in foreclosure has been delinquent for 438 days before actually being evicted, up from 251 days in January 2008, according to LPS Applied Analytics.

While there are no firm figures on how many households are following the Pemberton-Reboyras path of passive resistance, real estate agents and other experts say the number of overextended borrowers taking the “free rent” approach is on the rise.

There is no question, though, that for some borrowers in default, foreclosure is only a theoretical threat for a long time.

More than 650,000 households had not paid in 18 months, LPS calculated earlier this year. With 19 percent of those homes, the lender had not even begun to take action to repossess the property — double the rate of a year earlier.

In some states, including California and Texas, lenders can pursue foreclosures outside of the courts. With the lender in control, the pace can be brisk. But in Florida, New York and 19 other states, judicial foreclosure is the rule, which slows the process substantially.

In Pinellas and Pasco counties, which include St. Petersburg and the suburbs to the north, there are 34,000 open foreclosure cases, said J. Thomas McGrady, chief judge of the Pinellas-Pasco Circuit. Ten years ago, the average was about 4,000. “The volume is killing us,” Judge McGrady said.

Mr. Pemberton and Ms. Reboyras decided to stop paying because their business, which restores attics that have been invaded by pests, was on the verge of failing. Scrambling to get by, their credit already shot, they had little to lose.

“We could pay the mortgage company way more than the house is worth and starve to death,” said Mr. Pemberton, 43. “Or we could pay ourselves so our business could sustain us and people who work for us over a long period of time. It may sound very horrible, but it comes down to a self-preservation thing.”

They used the $1,837 a month that they were not paying their lender to publicize A Plus Restorations, first with print ads, then local television. Word apparently got around, because the business is recovering.

The couple owe $280,000 on the house, where they live with Ms. Reboyras’s two daughters, their two dogs and a very round pet raccoon named Roxanne. The house is worth less than half that amount — which they say would be their starting point in future negotiations with their lender.

“If they took the house from us, that’s all they would end up getting for it anyway,” said Ms. Reboyras, 46.

One reason the house is worth so much less than the debt is because of the real estate crash. But the couple also refinanced at the height of the market, taking out cash to buy a truck they used as a contest prize for their hired animal trappers.

It was a stupid move by their lender, according to Mr. Pemberton. “They went outside their own guidelines on debt to income,” he said. “And when they did, they put themselves in jeopardy.”

His mother, Wendy Pemberton, who has been cutting hair at the same barber shop for 30 years, has been in default since spring 2008. Mrs. Pemberton, 68, refinanced several times during the boom but says she benefited only once, when she got enough money for a new roof. The other times, she said, unscrupulous salesmen promised her lower rates but simply charged her high fees.

Even without the burden of paying $938 a month for her decaying house, Mrs. Pemberton is having a tough time. Most of her customers are senior citizens who pay only $8 for a cut, and they are spacing out their visits.

“The longer I’m in foreclosure, the better,” she said.

In Florida, the average property spends 518 days in foreclosure, second only to New York’s 561 days. Defense attorneys stress they can keep this number high.

Both generations of Pembertons have hired a local lawyer, Mark P. Stopa. He sends out letters — 1,700 in a recent week — to Floridians who have had a foreclosure suit filed against them by a lender.

Even if you have “no defenses,” the form letter says, “you may be able to keep living in your home for weeks, months or even years without paying your mortgage.”

About 10 new clients a week sign up, according to Mr. Stopa, who says he now has 350 clients in foreclosure, each of whom pays $1,500 a year for a maximum of six hours of attorney time. “I just do as much as needs to be done to force the bank to prove its case,” Mr. Stopa said.

Many mortgages were sold by the original lender, a circumstance that homeowners’ lawyers try to exploit by asking them to prove they own the loan. In Mrs. Pemberton’s case, Mr. Stopa filed a motion to dismiss on March 17, 2009, and the case has not moved since then. He filed a similar motion in her son’s case last December.

From the lenders’ standpoint, people who stay in their homes without paying the mortgage or actively trying to work out some other solution, like selling it, are “milking the process,” said Kyle Lundstedt, managing director of Lender Processing Service’s analytics group. LPS provides technology, services and data to the mortgage industry.

These “free riders” are “the unintended and unfortunate consequence” of lenders struggling to work out a solution, Mr. Lundstedt said. “These people are playing a dangerous game. There are processes in many states to go after folks who have substantial assets postforeclosure.”

But for borrowers like Jim Tsiogas, the benefits of not paying now outweigh any worries about the future.

“I stopped paying in August 2008,” said Mr. Tsiogas, who is in foreclosure on his house and two rental properties. “I told the lady at the bank, ‘I can’t afford $2,500. I can only afford $1,300.’ ”

Mr. Tsiogas, who lives on the coast south of St. Petersburg, blames his lenders for being unwilling to help when the crash began and his properties needed shoring up.

Their attitude seems to have changed since he went into foreclosure. Now their letters say things like “we’re willing to work with you.” But Mr. Tsiogas feels little urge to respond.

“I need another year,” he said, “and I’m going to be pretty comfortable.”
发表于 2010-6-1 10:22 AM | 显示全部楼层
It's too bad...
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发表于 2010-6-1 10:53 AM | 显示全部楼层
美国色的钉子户。一定时TREASURY的雇员。
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发表于 2010-6-1 11:01 AM | 显示全部楼层
It is too good... Otherwise, some of these people may end up living in the park or on the streets - and have social issues that burden local and state gov.

Basically, banks pay these people to stay home. When foreclosure takes a long time, they need people to live there instead of abandoning.
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发表于 2010-6-1 11:25 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 dividend_growth 于 2010-6-1 13:27 编辑

当年Great Depression时,很多地方的居民集体围攻地方政府,迫使其立法停止foreclosure。

1929年时的mortgage, 商业贷款,地方政府债券,10年后的违约率达到50%以上。

1932年时股市虽然到底了,但痛苦一直持续到1940年,Dorothy Lang那张有名的照片是1936年拍的,那时道指从底部都翻了4倍啦。
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发表于 2010-6-1 11:32 AM | 显示全部楼层
当年Great Depression时,很多地方的居民集体围攻地方政府,迫使其立法停止foreclosure。

1929年时的mor ...
dividend_growth 发表于 2010-6-1 13:25



    老大好久没冒泡了,欢迎归队
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-6-1 11:52 AM | 显示全部楼层
当年Great Depression时,很多地方的居民集体围攻地方政府,迫使其立法停止foreclosure。

1929年时的mor ...
dividend_growth 发表于 2010-6-1 13:25



    这么说,中国买了那么多美国国债,还真不一定能拿回来呢?
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发表于 2010-6-1 11:59 AM | 显示全部楼层
这么说,中国买了那么多美国国债,还真不一定能拿回来呢?
padme 发表于 2010-6-1 13:52



    那是灰常将来的事了,不要太忧虑了。
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发表于 2010-6-1 12:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
中国是越 来越被套牢了,不过,美国也快被中国绑架了,左右中国的能力在减弱。

研究一下美国和英国的关系。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-6-1 12:18 PM | 显示全部楼层
中国是越 来越被套牢了,不过,美国也快被中国绑架了,左右中国的能力在减弱。

研究一下美国和英国的关系 ...
alex68 发表于 2010-6-1 14:16



    美国和中国的关系跟美国和英国的关系有关系吗? 好像又一个绕口令唉。
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发表于 2010-6-1 03:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
美国和中国的关系跟美国和英国的关系有关系吗? 好像又一个绕口令唉。
padme 发表于 2010-6-1 14:18


英国和美国当年就是一个是债主另外一个是放债的. 现在英国以抱美国大腿为主要营生. 在我们的有生之年美国可能不至于沦落到大不列颠的地步, 但是, 肯定越来越不好控制和左右中国了. 你看现在对中国怀柔了好多,好像韬光养晦的样子.
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发表于 2010-6-1 03:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
英国和美国当年就是一个是债主另外一个是放债的. 现在英国以抱美国大腿为主要营生. 在我们的有生之年美 ...
alex68 发表于 2010-6-1 17:20



英国现在抱美国大腿是因为军事上被德国打得一败涂地,完全靠美国倾囊相助才活下来的。

法国沦陷和新加坡投降,才是给大英帝国致命的一击。
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发表于 2010-6-1 03:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
英国现在抱美国大腿是因为军事上被德国打得一败涂地,完全靠美国倾囊相助才活下来的。

法国沦陷和 ...
dividend_growth 发表于 2010-6-1 17:27


我看这只是表面的因素. 因二战后的重建, 美国对整个欧洲有恩, 包括德国,法国,不见他们抱美国大腿.
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