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 楼主| 发表于 2009-5-11 05:06 PM | 显示全部楼层


good at 168 Post subject: Re: 大盘何时见顶? 密切关注银行融资情况
PostPosted: 5/10/09 03:39

我倒没有乐观到,经济危机快要结束了。我觉得,这次恢复应当是两个阶段,一是我们正在目睹的金融系统的回复正常,二是房地产的库存慢慢消减。

:我以前consulting company的同事们最近都闲得发慌,据说不到7月没法好。
这个比较重要,不过我觉得很快会有起色。野鸡FA,我们公司10%+的裁员,ER前紧急叫停了,原来cut的买设备的预算在qtr中来了,原本说把免费饮料停了也不继续了
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bobobobo at 168 Post subject: Re: 大盘何时见顶? 密切关注银行融资情况
PostPosted: 5/10/09 09:02

还是太乐观了,我的前公司是NYC/NJ里头帮land developer干活做得最大的。一般来讲,项目会在地产项目开工前6-8个月到。如果说股市同时也领先实体经济6个月的话,说明股市不到7,8月没法真的好转。 2007年的时候,一land developer在和NYC一水之隔的hoboken计划搞一个大的商业住宅区,但项目在我们做了半年多后在秋天紧急叫停。这land developer看经济的水平比花街那些混饭的可是厉害多了。 再说我之前看牛看得那么坚决的,现在短中期不看牛了,总有理由的。小心为妙
[quote="good"] 我倒没有乐观到,经济危机快要结束了。我觉得,这次恢复应当是两个阶段,一是我们正在目睹的金融系统的回复正常,二是房地产的库存慢慢消减。

:我以前consulting company的同事们最近都闲得发慌,据说不到7月没法好。
这个比较重要,不过我觉得很快会有起色。野鸡FA,我们公司10%+的裁员,ER前紧急叫停了,原来cut的买设备的预算在qtr中来了,原本说把免费饮料停了也不继续了
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-5-11 05:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
股猜168 at 168 Post subject: Re: 大盘何时见顶? 密切关注银行融资情况
PostPosted: 5/10/09 10:25

08 赌注很大, 说了经济不好转不竞选连任。
克鲁曼很对,这是让经济来解决银行的问题。恐怕也只能先如此。房市恢复了, 银行才会真正恢复, 融资100B 只是小事。失业率不下去,贷款利率低的刺激效应恐无法持久,短期过后低也没人买房。只是除了政府财政刺激我看不到那个行业能带动经济复苏。几个季度过后,短期刺激效应过后一切就会初见分晓。一旦经济开始好转,印纸钞马上就得控制, 持续刺激复苏是个大问号。


also for 2003 bottom. smart money such as corporate america  was very bullish and most retailers/funds/economists very bearish. That is a real bull market. Now it is opposite.

I said two months ago it was going to be a moment that the market may up 30% and everyone thinks worst is over ... etc. Actually the manipulation so far was done very well - beyond my imagination. It still looks like a giant bear market close to the end. Except short term trading you can buy at ot above 950 to brace a long therm bull market, but i am not going to. Maybe I am just a idiot,  那也没办法。
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发表于 2009-5-11 05:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
谢谢小白龙。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-5-11 05:10 PM | 显示全部楼层
168 有很多FA的能人啊,这个YAHOO据说是coke的师傅,而coke在mitbbs股版是以FA超强著称的。

YAHOO开始的这两个主题,都非常切中要害。厉害不是一点点。
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不过这里面有个悖论,如果OBAMA这一招偷天换日成功,银行顺利融资,那么等于说金融系统的大难题已经基本上解决了,这样股市还有大跌的必要吗?

为什么又说银行融资结束就是股市到顶的时候呢?
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发表于 2009-5-11 08:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-5-11 09:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
顶!
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发表于 2009-5-11 09:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
I didn't know that Yahoo is coke's advisor. They are both very good, but in different styles to me. coke is a real master on FA/sectors and I heard that she is 科班出身。
yahoo's sense and vision on big market is real magic. At end, coke is a suppper nice girl, also very hot I heard.

168 有很多FA的能人啊,这个YAHOO据说是coke的师傅,而coke在mitbbs股版是以FA超强著称的。

YAHOO开始的这两个主题,都非常切中要害。厉害不是一点点。
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发表于 2009-5-11 09:43 PM | 显示全部楼层
Very good question, I will just share my thoughts.

I think if 金融系统的大难题已经基本上解决了, then they will not bankrupt anymore, or at least the risk is much lower. But even if there is no concern for big banks to go bankrupcy any more, their previous business model is not suitable for continued growth for us economy. The real solution is to shuffule financial and real estate systems.

不过这里面有个悖论,如果OBAMA这一招偷天换日成功,银行顺利融资,那么等于说金融系统的大难题已经基本上解决了,这样股市还有大跌的必要吗?

为什么又说银行融资结束就是股市到顶的时候呢?
xiaobailong 发表于 2009-5-11 18:11
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发表于 2009-5-11 09:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
xiaobailong 连珠炮厉害,要好好学学。 先谢再读
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发表于 2009-5-11 10:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
i folllowed YAHOO, 5mm D56 everyday. They are very very good
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本帖最后由 小亥 于 2009-5-12 00:58 编辑

The critical point is whether the institutional investor (II) would like to put themselves in the same shoes as the US government. The IIImentioned here is investor with longer term horizon, like Buffet.

As a private investor, it's quite simple: buying low and selling high. Is the current price low enough to lure them pouring money in? I doubt. If they put money on the table, at least they would protect their money like Buffet, getting some nice term for their money. As an individual investor (long term), it's a suicide mission to buy and hold any stock right now. I believe that even Buffet won't put all his money in at this time.

Sure, O8's first strike is good. On the other hand, government intervention is always a sword with two blades.  It scares the private investors away.

Right now, it's already priced in the best scenarios that the bank will successfully get all the money from the private investors. As long as they tap the FED money (debt to stock conversion), the stockmarket will crash again. BTW, II is not idiot. They will at least wait untilthe second strike to come out and get a better term for their money. If O8's first strike will solve the crisis forming by decades of debtproblem, then I have to say he's GOD. I know a lot of people have fullof hope to this new administration. However, they should realize it's aworld of compromises.

不过这里面有个悖论,如果OBAMA这一招偷天换日成功,银行顺利融资,那么等于说金融系统的大难题已经基本上解决了,这样股市还有大跌的必要吗?

为什么又说银行融资结束就是股市到顶的时候呢?
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