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A day of TVIX, dropping 16%

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发表于 2012-3-22 01:02 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


本帖最后由 silicon_beaver 于 2012-3-22 10:10 编辑

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TVIX drops 16.6%. Any one here shorted it?  

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发表于 2012-3-22 01:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
Because of 「Credit Suisse」<-- search it and see.

It's abnormal. I think I can buy some.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-22 01:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
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Called my broker, confirmed what you said, related to the process of "Re-evaluation".
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发表于 2012-3-22 01:17 PM | 显示全部楼层
坑爹
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发表于 2012-3-22 01:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 shoujie 于 2012-3-22 13:22 编辑

这个基金会被起诉。它要赔大了。

只是,原理上不明白:temporary suspension of further share creation issue 应该使价格飞涨,但是实际上是 at " a premium or discount"。

(那位给科普一下?)
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发表于 2012-3-22 01:43 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2012-3-22 01:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
UVXY 就是正常的。TVIX 应该跟它一样才对。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-22 01:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
--- TVIX, closed yesterday 62 percent above its so-called indicative value, which is tied to the Chicago Board Options Exchange Volatility Index, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-22 02:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
My notes, I could be wrong,

Temporary Suspension: It's a technical way to NOT allow to short market. No more shares could be issued, i.e. the fund cannot obtain fresh blood, to become more powerful to against to the market.

Previously, TVIX was over-valued due to high-demand, per the re-evaluation. Now they discuss TVIX back to real value (indicative value). If TVIX really backs to its function, tied to CBOE index, it has to be slashed, upto 60's %. It's a reason TVIX down today.

Hence 16% loss is just a beginning, likely.

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so, the explaination could be non-sense... it's not related to 200% VIX  发表于 2012-3-22 02:26 PM
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发表于 2012-3-22 02:22 PM | 显示全部楼层
silicon_beaver 发表于 2012-3-22 14:01
My notes, I could be wrong,

Temporary Suspension: It's a technical way to NOT allow to short mark ...

OK, how do you explain UVXY ?
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发表于 2012-3-22 02:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
Trader rush to exit.
average volumn, 11,339,400,
today, 27,982,055.
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发表于 2012-3-22 03:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Forevergreen 于 2012-3-22 16:04 编辑

The suspension of new issuance was taken place in Feb. Why today dropped a lot, a little bit confused...
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发表于 2012-3-22 03:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 dsp 于 2012-3-22 16:08 编辑

Almost 30% off.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-22 03:18 PM | 显示全部楼层
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UVXY is another fund. It won't run into the problem unless it is being or needs "re-evaluated".

For TVIX, either goes lower to reflect its indicative value; or pump up VIX (harder choice), if decide to re-evaluating.
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发表于 2012-3-22 03:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
肯定是哪个胖嘴唇干的。。。
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发表于 2012-3-22 06:51 PM | 显示全部楼层
TVIX - Credit Suisse Plans to Reopen Issuance of
VelocityShares Daily 2x Long VIX Short-Term ETN (Ticker Symbol: "TVIX") on a
Limited Basis

NEW YORK, March 22, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Credit Suisse announced today that
it plans to reopen issuance of the VelocityShares Daily 2x Long VIX Short-Term
ETNs (Ticker Symbol: "TVIX") on a limited basis. The ETNs were temporarily
suspended from further issuance by Credit Suisse on February 21, 2012 due to
internal limits on the size of the ETNs. At present, the ETNs are trading at a
premium to their indicative value.

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about rates that prevailed prior to the temporary suspension of issuances of
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-22 07:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 silicon_beaver 于 2012-3-22 16:27 编辑

Forevergreen 发表于 2012-3-22 12:03 The suspension of new issuance was taken place in Feb. Why today dropped a lot, a little bit confuse ...

TVIX, indicative value is reflected in ^TVIX-IV, $7.83 EOD (03/22/2012)

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^TVIX-IV+Interactive#symbol=^tvix-iv;range=5d;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

In recent days, especially last days in this week, ^TVIX-IV sharply down while TVIX remained relatively strong (these days people were asking why UVXY down so much but TVIX stable).

Since TVIX stays relatively stable, couldn't reflect ^TVIX-IV. Its premium is over-valued per the evaluation.
To survive, TVIX fund either cuts its connection with ^TVIX-IV, or moves back to its indicative value. $7.83 EOD.

TVIX down 30%. AH down 11%. to $9.
Still has room to go down until it meets its indicative value, $7.83, or similar.

I believe, at that point, issue of new shares could be resumed because its price reflects the indicative value, meets regulations again,




Update:

I decided to remove TVIX and UVXY from Main ETFs 一览 from tomorrow.
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