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发表于 2009-8-27 04:08 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Investors are still trading common shares of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and American International Group Inc. by the billions, even though analysts say their prices are almost certain to go to zero.

All three are majority-owned by the government and are losing huge sums of money. The Securities and Exchange Commission and other regulators lack authority to end trading of stocks in such "zombie" companies that technically are alive -- until the government takes them off life support.

Shares of the two mortgage giants and the insurer have been swept up in a summer rally in financial stocks. Investors have been trading their shares at abnormally high volumes, despite analysts' warnings that they're destined to lose their money.

"People have done well by trading them (in the short term), but when it gets to the end of the road, these stocks are going to be worth zero," said Bose George, an analyst with the investment bank Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Inc.

Some of the activity involves day traders aiming to profit from short-term price swings, George said. But he said inexperienced investors might have the misimpression that the companies may recover or be rescued.

"That would be kind of unfortunate," he said. "There could be a lot of improvement in the economy, and these companies would still be worth zero."

The government continues to support the companies with billions in taxpayer money, saying they still play a crucial role in the financial system.

Fannie and Freddie buy loans from banks and sell them to investors. They have tapped about $96 billion out of a potential $400 billion in aid from the Treasury Department.

Officials have said AIG's failure would be disastrous for the financial markets. Treasury and the Federal Reserve have spent about $175 billion on AIG and AIG-related securities. The company also has access to $28 billion from the $700 billion financial industry bailout.

But analysts say the wind-down strategies for the companies are almost sure to wipe out any common equity. The shares would be worthless.

"There are some folks that believe that somehow that 20 percent (of the stock) that's out there in the public market might be worth something someday," said Daniel Alpert, managing director of the investment bank Westwood Capital LLC.

The three companies are doomed because they are "massively indebted," and the values of their assets are declining, Alpert said.

The stocks remain in circulation mainly for two reasons: They've violated no rules on the New York Stock Exchange, where they are traded. And no regulator has the power to halt their trading without evidence securities laws are being violated.

Alpert said no regulations exist to deal with cases where the government props up unsustainable companies.

By contrast, regulators were able to warn investors about stock in the "old" General Motors, which also sits on a mound of government debt. The SEC and the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, the brokerage industry's self-policing group, have issued alerts and taken other steps to prevent investor losses on that stock.

In that case, the SEC could act because GM acknowledged the stock was headed for zero in a restructuring plan filed with the SEC.

The SEC says it has no reason to delist stocks that still technically meet its standards. Those include filing timely reports and maintaining minimum numbers of shareholders and market capitalization.

The NYSE's rules give it discretion over which stocks are listed -- regardless of whether a company meets its listing standards.

FINRA has jurisdiction over NASDAQ-traded stocks and over "pink sheet" stocks, which are worth too little to be traded on a major exchange. It has no jurisdiction over stocks on the NYSE.

Shares of Fannie, Freddie and AIG -- along with their trading volumes -- have jumped this summer, when activity normally fades as traders take vacations. Fannie shares have more than tripled since the end of July. Their volume soared from 6.45 million shares on the last day of July to 470 million shares Wednesday.

Freddie and AIG shares have surged threefold since then. Freddie's volume jumped to 169 million shares from 4.5 million. And 27 million AIG shares changed hands on Wednesday, compared with 5 million on July 31.

By comparison, the trading volume of General Electric Co.'s common shares fell to around 66 million shares Wednesday, compared with 109 million shares July 31. The stock price rose 5.3 percent in that stretch.

AIG shares rose 27 percent, to $47.84 from $37.69, on Thursday. The price was increased by a reverse stock split in early July that raised the price by a factor of 20. In a reverse split, a stock price is increased, and the number of shares are reduced by a similar proportion. It has no effect on shareholders' equity

Fannie and Freddie's government owners haven't announced their plans for the companies. That means there's a possibility -- however remote -- that their shares could retain some value. But the administration is expected to announce in February that the companies will be wound down, merged into a federal agency or have their bad mortgage assets split into a new government-backed company.

All those possibilities are almost certain to eliminate any remaining shareholder equity, analysts said.

Lawrence J. White, a professor at New York University's Stern School of Business, said the higher trading volumes might reflect speculation about the government's February announcement.

With the share prices still so low, White said investors are willing to bet on the outcome of the government's announcement. He said trading volume is likely to grow further, with even sharper price swings, as February approaches.

Still, Freddie Mac Chairman John Koskinen said the price fluctuations were hard to understand.

"I have absolutely no idea what that represents," he said.

Representatives for Fannie, the SEC, AIG, FINRA and the NYSE declined to comment. Spokeswomen for Treasury, which owns most of AIG, and the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which holds Fannie and Freddie in conservatorship, also wouldn't comment.

AP Business writers Alan Zibel in Washington and Stephen Bernard in New York contributed to this report.
发表于 2009-8-27 04:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Timber 于 2009-8-27 17:29 编辑

被套的MM炒作自救?文中所说的“the administration is expected to announce in February that the companies will be wound down”是不是指明年2月?
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-8-27 04:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
被套的MM炒作自救?文中所说的“the administration is expected to announce in February that the companies will be wound down”是不是指明年2月?
Timber 发表于 2009-8-27 17:28


我更觉得是小散不明白其中利害炒起来的.他们看到C,BAC上去了,又想着政府不会让这些公司跨掉,就相当然的认为股价肯定会上去.
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发表于 2009-8-27 04:45 PM | 显示全部楼层
If the shares will be useless, why AIG did merge?
Who is buying so aggressively?

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Investors are still trading common shares of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and American International Group Inc. by the billions, even though analysts say their prices are almost certain  ...
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发表于 2009-8-27 04:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-8-27 05:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
我更觉得是小散不明白其中利害炒起来的.他们看到C,BAC上去了,又想着政府不会让这些公司跨掉,就相当然的认为股价肯定会上去.
ByStander 发表于 2009-8-27 04:35 PM


From volumn, it doesn't looks like 小散 could do such a good job. Look at the day it break up, some 大庄家在里面。
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发表于 2009-8-27 05:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
If the shares will be useless, why AIG did merge?
Who is buying so aggressively?


zhishun 发表于 2009-8-27 17:45


very simple, some MM bought AIG 1000+(presplit) and they can pump up the price and sell their shares.
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发表于 2009-8-27 05:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
That makes sense.

我更觉得是小散不明白其中利害炒起来的.他们看到C,BAC上去了,又想着政府不会让这些公司跨掉,就相当然的认为股价肯定会上去.
ByStander 发表于 2009-8-27 17:35
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发表于 2009-8-27 06:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-8-27 07:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
Great!
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发表于 2009-8-27 11:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
it will go 1000????????????? my god..............

very simple, some MM bought AIG 1000+(presplit) and they can pump up the price and sell their shares.
dara 发表于 2009-8-27 18:05
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发表于 2009-8-27 11:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
我不同意这一点,如果以前是这样,现在怎么样,这篇文章出来之后,没有理由散户看不见。然后怎么样,股票并没有归零。平时一支小公司的消息都会
让这家公司的股票大起大落。没有理由这么多人就在这里瞎炒。我认为一定有在兴风作浪,然后有可能散户盲从了。

That makes sense.


Diver 发表于 2009-8-27 18:32
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发表于 2009-8-28 12:05 AM | 显示全部楼层
政府借他们钱,做什么能得到快速回报-把股价搞上去!!扫盘方式的上拉,是一般MM能做的吗?
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发表于 2009-8-28 08:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
我觉得AIG还得跌下去一半.
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发表于 2009-8-28 08:48 AM | 显示全部楼层
AIG is up another $6 to $54 this morning.
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发表于 2009-8-29 07:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
It seems big MM doing this. There is almost no pullback from recent days. My question is what the price is  selling time?
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发表于 2009-8-29 08:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
记得前两天看到一篇文章说AIG买者主要是散户,平均每笔交易只有244股(units),似乎没有什么大手笔。如果是真,不知这意味着什么。
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发表于 2009-8-29 08:57 PM | 显示全部楼层
好贴!
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These words caught my eyes
"Fannie and Freddie's government owners haven't announced their plans for the companies. That means there's a possibility -- however remote -- that their shares could retain some value. But the administration is expected to announce in February that the companies will be wound down, merged into a federal agency or have their bad mortgage assets split into a new government-backed company.

All those possibilities are almost certain to eliminate any remaining shareholder equity, analysts said"
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发表于 2009-9-5 03:17 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-9-7 06:45 AM | 显示全部楼层
记得前两天看到一篇文章说AIG买者主要是散户,平均每笔交易只有244股(units),似乎没有什么大手笔。如果是真,不知这意味着什么。
TXK 发表于 2009-8-29 21:06


机构踏空了?嘿嘿。。。。心里酸酸的,只好说这几个股票迟早归零。。。
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