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这一波上涨有点莫名其妙

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发表于 2015-4-11 01:55 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


好像并没有什么利好啊。不知道是不是为希腊危机腾出下跌空间?

无论如何,现在庄家需要拉高出货了。

前面一段时间,希腊危机并不算太严重,反而狂跌。现在希腊危机加深了,几乎注定要违约脱欧了,反而没有恐慌了,大涨了!

http://money.cnn.com/data/fear-and-greed/

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发表于 2015-4-11 02:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
跌多了就涨涨。  希腊问题有没有什么时间表啊?

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发表于 2015-4-11 06:29 PM | 显示全部楼层
葡萄柚 发表于 2015-4-11 01:23 PM
跌多了就涨涨。  希腊问题有没有什么时间表啊?

以前说是3月底到4月底是希腊议会审批的时间。

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发表于 2015-4-11 06:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
小呵呵 发表于 2015-4-11 06:29 PM
以前说是3月底到4月底是希腊议会审批的时间。

那时间都过了。

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发表于 2015-4-11 07:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
葡萄柚 发表于 2015-4-11 05:49 PM
那时间都过了。

批准之后是谈判,谈判就很久了,现在不清楚到哪一步了。
老大你是觉得希腊和美股联动么?

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发表于 2015-4-11 07:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2015-4-12 07:47 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 nickll 于 2015-4-12 07:51 AM 编辑

是的, 不太明白现在的小涨理由. 前期下跌时,一堆专家说什么加息,结束QE,流动性变差,企业不回购,美资外流欧洲,美元上升等等,可信度十足,结果周五GE就要回购了.市场还是重入上涨阶段. 真是不明白.只能明白大是美经济好转奠定大基础长期走势,并且上涨与下跌是互为周期.特别是22-25天的样子.有这两点定基调,其它加息的是人为政策影响一下短期的走势,况且加息的力度及周期老太也是看数据.从走法上看,有必要对照2004头次加息的情况,或许有一跌但那是对涨高后的调整. 现在这波涨或是加息前一跌的涨,将空间拉起来.所以后面或没有上两周的底更低了.

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发表于 2015-4-12 09:24 AM | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-4-12 11:09 AM | 显示全部楼层
现在希腊政府只有两条道路可以走了:
1。对外违约。(IMF的高息贷款、欧洲央行的高息债券,以及欧洲各国政府的低息贷款。)
2。对内违约。(拖欠的退休金和公务员工资,以及竞选时的承诺。)

两条道路都是死路。

他们已经实在是筹不出钱来了。

上周五还给IMF的第一笔贷款(6亿欧元)已经是破釜沉舟、孤注一掷,最后赌一把了,希望博得债主们的信任,获得几十亿欧元的新贷款。这是一笔丢车保帅、以小套大的计策,但是欧元区各国见死不救,各国财政部长联席会议不买账(各国议会也很难批准通过),看样子德国人是铁了心要把希腊逼死(希腊新政府下台)或者逼反(希腊违约、退欧)。
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-4-12 11:11 AM | 显示全部楼层
今天的路透社署名文章:
Greece may have blown best hope of debt deal

7 hours ago

By Paul Taylor

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Even if it survives the next three months teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, Greece may have blown its best chance of a long-term debt deal by alienating its euro zone partners when it most needed their support.

Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras' leftist-led government has so thoroughly shattered creditors' trust that solutions which might have been on offer a few weeks ago now seem out of reach.

With a public debt equivalent to 175 percent of economic output and an economy struggling to pull out of a six-year depression, Athens needs all the goodwill it can summon to ease the burden. It owes 80 percent of that debt to official lenders after private bondholders took a hefty writedown in 2012.

Since outright debt forgiveness is politically impossible, the next best solution would be for Greece to pay off its expensive IMF loans early, redeem bonds held by the European Central Bank and extend the maturity of loans from euro zone governments to secure lower interest rates for years to come.

"This step would save Greece's budget billions of euros, while reforming the Troika arrangement, eliminating the IMF's and the ECB's financial exposure to Greece," said Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, who advocates such an arrangement.

It would lower the effective interest rate on Greek debt to less than 2 percent, far less than Athens was paying before the euro zone debt crisis began in 2009, and radically reduce the principal amount to be repaid over the next decade, giving Greece fiscal breathing space to revive its economy.

And unlike ideas floated by Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis to swap euro zone loans for GDP-linked bonds and ECB holdings with perpetual bonds, paying out the IMF and the ECB early would be legal and supported by precedent.

But if the economics make sense for Greece, the politics no longer add up for its partners.

A euro zone official said there had been exploratory talks with the previous conservative-led Greek government about such a plan last year, before then Prime Minister Antonis Samaras chose to bring forward an election he lost rather than complete a bitterly unpopular bailout program.

"Now it's a political non-starter," said a euro zone official. "There's just no appetite in the euro zone for a grand bargain to take over Greece's debt to the IMF and the ECB."


LEVERAGE

Tsipras' denunciations of EU-prescribed austerity, demands for German war reparations and cosying up to Russian President Vladimir Putin, and Varoufakis' foot-dragging on reform negotiations and initial calls for a "haircut" on Greek debt, have dried up the reservoir of sympathy for Athens.

Creditors like Germany, the Netherlands and Finland are bent on keeping the IMF involved as an enforcer of economic reform and fiscal discipline because they don't trust the Greeks to keep their word, nor the European Commission to hold them to it.

"They would prefer to provide debt relief on an annual basis so they keep leverage on Greece to stick to the program," said Miranda Xafa, senior scholar at the Centre for International Governance Innovation and a consultant on Greek debt.

True, euro zone peers Ireland and Portugal, which received international bailouts after Greece, won EU agreement to pay off their costlier IMF loans faster, raising hopes in Athens.

But Dublin and Lisbon were able to do so by borrowing more cheaply from private lenders after completing their bailout programs and regaining access to the capital markets.

"Ireland and Portugal are governments in difficulty, but they are not difficult governments," said Elena Daly, principal at EM Conseil, a Paris-based sovereign debt management adviser.

Since Greece is stalling on its program and lacks market access, the only way it could pay off 24 billion euros owed to the IMF and redeem 27 billion euros of bonds held by the ECB would be for the euro zone's rescue fund to lend it the money.

That in turn would require euro zone governments to convince their parliaments to risk more taxpayers' money than the roughly 170 billion euros they have already lent Greece in two bailouts totalling 240 billion euros.

Many economists and euro zone officials believe Athens will anyway need a third bailout of around 30 billion euros this year, even though Tsipras insists Athens does not want that.

Euro zone finance ministers promised in 2012 to "consider further measures and assistance" to ease Greece's debt provided it stuck to the terms of its program, which it has not done.

Both Xafa and Daly said Tsipras had put himself in a near impossible position by making election promises incompatible with keeping the confidence of Greece's creditors.

He needs to change the politics fast to have a chance of fixing the economics without resorting to capital controls, paying civil servants with IOUs or defaulting on foreign governments and being forced out of the euro zone, they argue.

A referendum asking Greeks if they want to stay in the euro at the price of painful economic reforms, or a quick coalition change to bring in pro-reform centrists, may be his best options, even if they split his Syriza party.

Greece's official creditors meanwhile are torn between wanting to keep it in the euro zone to avoid the precedent of a country exiting, and fearing that if Tsipras manages to roll back austerity and secure debt relief, he could embolden like-minded political forces in Ireland, Portugal and Spain.  "So they want Greece to prosper and stay in the euro while at the same time wanting the new administration to fall on its face and become an object lesson for other electorates who may be toying with the idea of rebellion," Daly said.


(Writing by Paul Taylor; Editing by Susan Fenton)

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-4-12 11:14 AM | 显示全部楼层
昨天的德国报纸报道(路透社新闻):
Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:15pm EDT
Related: World, Greece Euro zone officials shocked by Greece's stance: Germany's FAS paper
BERLIN

(Reuters) - Euro zone officials were shocked at Greece's failure to outline plans for structural reforms at last week's talks in Brussels, a German newspaper on Saturday cited participants as saying, adding the Greek representative behaved like a "taxi driver".

A meeting of deputy finance ministers on Thursday gave Athens a six working day deadline to present revised economic reform plans before euro zone finance ministers meet on April 24 to consider unlocking emergency funding to keep Greece afloat.

Euro zone sources told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung that they were disappointed and shocked at Athens' lack of movement in its plans, and in particular its reluctance to talk about cutting civil servants' pensions.

The mood between Greece's leftist government and its euro zone partners, especially Germany, has deteriorated in the last few weeks, with personal recriminations flying between ministers and calls from Athens for Berlin to pay war reparations.

The paper said at last week's meeting the Greek representative just asked where the money was "like a taxi driver", according to sources, and insisted his country would soon be bankrupt.

The euro zone sources told the paper that Greece's creditors do not believe this is the case and that it would be a domestic political issue if Athens is unable to fully pay salaries and pensions.

The paper also said that German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, who has taken a tough line toward Greece in bailout talks, would have to get the Bundestag lower house of parliament to vote on any fundamental changes to the reform program.


(Reporting by Madeline Chambers; Editing by Rosalind Russell)
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-4-12 11:24 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 wreckbeach 于 2015-4-12 11:26 AM 编辑

形象地说,摆在希腊债主们面前的也是两条道路:
1。止损。(见死不救,放任自流,任凭希腊自生自灭、违约,过去的所有欠债收不回来,打水飘了。)
2。补仓,average down。(为了挽救希腊,投入更多的钱,冒更大的风险。那样一来,很可能鼓舞了其它欧猪各国人民群起而效之,仿效希腊人民。)

都不是好棋,只不过是长痛和短痛的区别。
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发表于 2015-4-12 09:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2015-4-14 05:25 AM | 显示全部楼层
希腊小违约,股市就涨、
真的成了大违约那就惨了,不过是市场都是不认为会大违约,都是一直借小违约来挤空,最多欧元跌一跌。
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