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发表于 2012-3-31 06:52 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


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发表于 2012-3-31 07:10 PM | 显示全部楼层
改为可选两项会好些?
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-31 07:18 PM | 显示全部楼层
福多多 发表于 2012-3-31 20:10
改为可选两项会好些?

怎么改?是不要分高低职吗?
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发表于 2012-3-31 07:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
福多多 发表于 2012-3-31 16:10
改为可选两项会好些?

second.
Multi-choice. So can select two.
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发表于 2012-3-31 07:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
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是的,高低职可能会有不同的情形。

低职务或刚找工作,公司更看重学业和知识背景。在高职务时更看重与人的交流。

有时候低职务的人会觉得自己的领导是个草包,只会拍馬。不过从高层来看这个干部
很会交流,不时给自己有用的信息,至于项目的困难,公司取消的项目还少吗?不在
乎多这么一个。如果重用一个技术出众而老跟自己过不去的人,这对公司有好处但对
自己是一个潜在的麻烦。

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帖子该不了,按牧童的建议,每人两个选项。  发表于 2012-3-31 07:43 PM
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发表于 2012-3-31 07:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
福多多 发表于 2012-3-31 16:32
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是的,高低职可能会有不同的情形。

Well-said. You must run a company,
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-31 07:41 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 curiosity2009 于 2012-3-31 21:10 编辑
silicon_beaver 发表于 2012-3-31 20:36
Well-said. You must run a company,


eng, I would imagine that 福多多is a CEO.
我们好好拍福多多马屁,到时候就有地方投奔了。
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发表于 2012-3-31 07:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
curiosity2009 发表于 2012-3-31 16:41
eng, I would imagine that 福多多is an CEO.
我们好好拍福多多马屁,到时候就有地方投奔了。 ...

到时候,福多多 says

好奇MM,技术出众,这人对公司有好处。
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发表于 2012-3-31 07:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
silicon_beaver 发表于 2012-3-31 19:36
Well-said. You must run a company,

俺run军委,指挥兵馬佣的干活。

网上曾有过曾仕强教授的一套《中国式管理》的视频,如果感兴趣可以看一下,跟中国人上级或下级打交道有点帮助。

你觉得中国人下级员工犯错,中级干部犯错和老总犯错要以什么形式表现?
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发表于 2012-3-31 08:46 PM | 显示全部楼层

10 Surprising Statistics on Women in the Workplace (转载)

While there is no doubt that women have come a long way from the discrimination and struggles they faced in the previous century when it came to getting an education and finding a job, the sad reality is that when you look at the hard facts, there is still a fair amount of inequality when it comes to women’s role in the working world. Whether you’re a working woman yourself or just want to help support the rights of women, these facts are a surefire wake-up call that women still don’t always get a fair shake when it comes to getting paid, attaining promotions, or entering certain fields. Take a moment to read through these ten eye-opening stats to see where women really are in the working world and get some inspiration to see where changes need to be made and where advancements can be lauded for this generation and the next.

1. Women comprise 46% of the total U.S. labor force. With almost half of the workforce being women, female employees aren’t exactly a rarity. For most women today, getting a job is an expected part of life. This is a big change from past decades. In 1900, fewer than 20% of women participated in the labor market while today the number is around 75% and growing.

2. Women make only 77.5 cents for every dollar that men earn. This figure comes from data on the 2003 census. Despite this gap, many economists feel that the gap between pay for men and women is due to different personal choices men and women make about personal fulfillment, child rearing and hours at work. Whichever you choose to believe, the reality is that the gap is slowly but surely closing as women become increasingly educated and dual income families become the norm, but this isn’t much consolation to those who feel discriminated against today.

3. The more education a woman has, the greater the disparity in her wages. This certainly doesn’t mean women should shy away from professional positions, but they should be aware that they may have to battle harder for equal pay. Women in professional specialty occupations were found to earn just 72.7% of what men in the same position earned, and women in upper level executive, administrative and managerial occupations earned even less at 72.3%. If you compare this against the average of 77.5%, the numbers speak for themselves, and this graphic from the New York Times makes it even easier to see.

4. Women may work longer to receive the promotions that provide access to higher pay. One example provided by the National Center for Education Statistics shows that women often have to work three years longer in a teaching position to be promoted to a principal than their male counterparts. Some studies suggest that this is because women and men adapt different strategies when it comes to management and pursuing promotions, yet other studies connect it less to work and more to gender-based biases.

5. Women business owners employ 35% more people than all the Fortune 500 companies combined. If you’re like most people, you don’t picture a woman when you think about a business owner. Yet there are about 9.1 million women-owned businesses in the U.S., a number that comprises nearly 40% of all businesses. The idea that women don’t make good managers just doesn’t hold up when you look at these kinds of numbers, with women managing a large number of employees and making healthy profits while doing so.
6. Women account for 46% of the labor force, but 59% of workers making less than $8 an hour. What does it mean? It means that many women are taking on jobs that pay well under a living wage. With nearly 16% of U.S. households having women who are divorced, widowed or never married as the sole providers, this leaves many women at a distinct disadvantage and struggling to make ends meet as they dominate jobs in low paying fields.

7. Only 53% of employers provide at least some replacement pay during periods of maternity leave. Despite the fact that the arrival of a child means extra bills and expenses, many employers don’t provide women with any benefits if they to leave work temporarily to have a child. While there is no law requiring companies to offer paid maternity leave, considering it is an issue that primarily affects women, it’s certainly a blow to their income potential and ability to care for their families and themselves.

8. Four in ten businesses worldwide have no women in senior management. This shouldn’t be a surprise given the way many countries feel about women in the workplace. Here in the United States, however, women still feel the stress of trying to break into upper management, with 93% of the 439 senior women executives surveyed by Korn/Ferry International in 1992 feeling that a gl*ss ceiling for women still existed. Yet new studies report that women outnumber men as managers in fields like human resources, health administration and education–perhaps stemming from reports that many businesses have seen a direct financial impact from hiring women.

9. Women earned less than men in 99% of all occupations. In virtually every field that women choose to enter, they can expect to earn less over their lifetime than their male counterparts. This means that over 47 years of full-time work, this gap amounts to an estimated loss in wages for women of $700,000 for high school graduates, $1.2 million for college grads, and $2 million for professional school grads–a staggering amount.

10. Minority women fare the worst when it comes to equal pay. African-American women earn 64 cents to every dollar earned by white men and Hispanic women just 52 cents per dollar. Whether it’s attitudes about race or gender that are at play, it’s clear that something needs to be done to level the playing field.

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发表于 2012-3-31 10:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2012-3-31 11:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
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1. unemployment rate is important, not the rate of female employment.  We respect women at work, yet we should not discriminate women work at home.  Taking care of family business is very important.  Of course having income may improve her status at home.  枪杆子里出政权。

2. female worker earned 77cents for 1 dollar male earned.  This comparison is like apple to orange.  As shown in other data,  male manager position is dominant.  Since managers earn more, it is not surprised that male earns more.  Position determines the salary level.

3. I don't see my female colleague (at my level) earns 20% less than I do.  When we talk about comparison, we have to compare with the same position.  Here is a salary survey I posted a few months ago
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The chart confirms male earns more.   However it is still difficult to interpret the data. For master degree it shows all female earns 85% relative to male.  If you look at individual row, you may see the lowest number is 88%.  Therefore the survey data 85% came from male chemists with higher position and female chemists with lower position.  So position determines the income level.

5. "Women business owners employ 35% more people than all the Fortune 500 companies combined.   "
Again this is comparing apple to orange.  
let's see the fact: Overall, the 2006 Fortune 500 companies employed 24,746,142 people.
1.35x24,746,142=33,407,292 That means women business owner employed less than 1/4 of total workforce.
Should men claim unjustified because women owner employ less than 1/4 working force?

6. The data confirmed my idea in other post that most female have disavantage at lower income level.

7. The data supported my idea that companies do not like to offer maternity benefits particularly at low pay job.

8. Everyone wants to advance in career development, that is why 93% complaint about the ceiling.
女员工受压制可以抱怨,男员工就得忍着。

9. The author has calculation problem.  47 years working life for Bachelor degree may lead to 1.2 M difference?
That is about $25,500 each year on average.  If female earns 25% less than male, then male would have to earn
$102,000 on average, which is an unlikely number for college graduate so far.  

10.  comparison of apple to orange.  position determines salary level.

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-1 08:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
福多多 发表于 2012-4-1 00:46
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1. unemployment rate is important, not the rate of female employment.  We respec ...

赞严谨的分析

“枪杆子里出政权”-----听起来像个军委主席
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发表于 2012-4-1 09:11 PM | 显示全部楼层
--- 像个军委主席

Is 个军委主席, not looks like.
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发表于 2012-4-2 01:49 AM | 显示全部楼层
在不同国家可能不同。
中国的高级职位中,
1,政界,最高9常委领导人没有女性。
2,军界,女将军占5%以下。
3,商界,前500大公司中,女董事长占12%以下,女总经理占7%以下 。
4,学界,女教授占9%以下, 女博士占8%以下。
中国的普通职位中,女士占42%以下。
以上数据非官方数据,未必准确,欢迎更正。
欧洲有女总理
美洲胡同9的女版主估计占50%以上。

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发表于 2012-4-2 05:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
九天 发表于 2012-4-2 01:49
在不同国家可能不同。
中国的高级职位中,
1,政界,最高9常委领导人没有女性。

东西方文化各有侧重。
东方人强调普遍性,认为女子多为柔弱,不适宜承担重任。
西方人强调特殊性,尽可能的从制度上容许特殊性出现。

就乐透来说吧,中国人认为“十赌九输”,千万不要受骗上当。
美国人认为,虽然买了只有亿分之一的机会,但不买就永远没有机会。

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-2 07:00 PM | 显示全部楼层
九天 发表于 2012-4-2 02:49
在不同国家可能不同。
中国的高级职位中,
1,政界,最高9常委领导人没有女性。

看起来还是胡同9 对女性没有歧视。
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发表于 2012-4-21 05:28 AM | 显示全部楼层
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欧洲有女总理
美洲胡同9的女版主估计占50%以上。
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