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 楼主| 发表于 2012-10-12 05:53 PM | 显示全部楼层



09/12/2012 update, SPX hit 1425.53 today which is what 被CHAN理论保证. Next target is 1416 -- the previous 30F中枢.

Now SPX is in 3rd 1F走势 heading south. Watch 1416, 1396 as support and 1433 and 1442 as resist next week.

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本帖最后由 ethanlinear 于 2012-10-12 06:36 PM 编辑
austinjoe 发表于 2012-10-12 05:34 PM
No. It's 缠论的级别 from level 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10... It's not 1 Min, 5 Min, 30 Min ti ...


谢老大指教。偶也学习了点缠论,但是一到使用的时候,枪就灭火,不要笑啊。

如果老大有时间的话,能不能把你刚才说3个30F的给个图示范一下?

另外前几天这个M顶用缠论怎么看?第一个高下来(9/14~9/26)好像没有盘整背驰就直接冲第2个高,形成了一个M。

现在偶是越来越糊涂了

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austinjoe 发表于 2012-10-12 05:53 PM
09/12/2012 update, SPX hit 1425.53 today which is what 被CHAN理论保证. Next target is 1416 -- the  ...

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-10-12 11:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 austinjoe 于 2012-10-12 10:17 PM 编辑
ethanlinear 发表于 2012-10-12 05:29 PM
谢老大指教。偶也学习了点缠论,但是一到使用的时候,枪就灭火,不要笑啊。

如果老大有时 ...


Are you asking 3 30F走势 from 10/2011 low? It's on my post#4 day.png.

1st one --  from 10/04/2011 to 04/02/2012 is 2 中枢 30F 上涨趋势.
2nd one -- from 04/02/2012 to 06/04/2012 is 1 中枢 30F 盘整.
3rd one -- from 06/04/2012 to 10/05/2012 is  中枢 30F 上涨趋势, which has classic 标准趋势背驰 -- you could refer to day2.png on post#4.
Now we're in 4th 30F走势 -- either 下跌趋势 or 盘整走势 we have to follow market's own growth to act. 缠论 never try to fore-tell market next step.

It's not easy to fully understand and  use it at will on the market. 缠师 said if there may be no more than 3 guy who could truly mastered 缠论. I do not think myself is 1 of 3 now, and could never be one in my live. But it's so beautiful that I could not give up my learning.

My own experience is to read 教你炒股票 108 as much as you can, also 缠师 other posts under 时政经济(缠中说禅经济学). It's after 3rd time that I read the 教你炒股票 108 that make me feel much easy to read the market. IMO, new 缠论 student should operate on 5F走势 at least, do NOT try 1F走势 or even 1F线段 before you think you are on middle school level.

When I find time to make some pics I'll post it here to show you how to use 缠论 to explain this M top.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-10-13 01:03 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 austinjoe 于 2012-10-13 01:28 AM 编辑

Answer to ethanlinear this M top -- please refer to this one "盘整背驰的精确定义和三种扩展应用" -- http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_82b2c3350100zlpn.html.

I think it's the best understanding of 缠论的盘整背驰.

First look day2-new.png, which shows 2 中枢 30F上涨趋势 from 06/04/2012 low SPX 1266. 9--12 makes the 2nd 30F 中枢, 1213 is 盘整背驰 to 89, this why SPX fall on 09/14 1474.51, which is the 1st top of M. How to judge 9/26 low 14 is the end of 5F down run from 13? The answer is the reversal direction compare 89 and 1314 using MACD area.

Next look 10Min chart, numbers from 1 to 17 are 1F走势, 234567 make the 5F中枢. 78 is not 盘整背驰 to 12 on this 5F中枢. However, 1-8 has grow to 5F走势, and 缠论里曾有一句话,背驰也要综合多级别去看. 大级别 dominate 小级别. 1-8 5F走势 is not strong compare to 01 -- which is 1213 on the day2-new chart, let alone it could compete the 89 on daily chart. This is the reason why SPX turned back north on 09/26/2012.

To make the call of 8, first you should pay attention that the blue MACD histogram under 78 on 10Min chart shrinks, next look 1min chart that has labled 1F线段. 00 -- 2 is the 10Min chart 78. There are 2 笔中枢 on 12 1F线段, first at final hour of 09/25, and second is first hour of 09/26. When SPX hit 1430.53 low on 10:38AM EST, both the MACD yellow line and histogram 背驰, and 23 is 7笔 make up a 1F线段 to end the 12 1F线段. BY the time of 9/27 morning 11, a new 5F中枢 is build up, zone is 1433, 1439. In fact, SPX still has the chance to dive hard to make 1 2中枢 5F下跌趋势, but it has to escape this new 5F中枢 by a 3rd selling point. But the later rise of SPX on 9/27 make this choice impossible as 9/27 high -- 11 on 10 min chart overlap low of 9/20 -- 4 on 10 min chart. Hence when 9/28 low 12 is high than 10 that make HH and HL on the 10Min chart, and on day2-new chart, 14 is the 3rd buy point for 30F 中枢 made in late Aug. You should expect SPX re-visiting 9/14 high 1474.51.

1F走势1415 on 10Min chart is 2 中枢 1F上涨趋势, very classic 标准趋势背驰 ended 10/05 top. Considering 8-15 5F走势 is weaker than 1--8 5F走势 as 15 is lower than 1. From above we already know that 1--8 5F走势 is the weak one using 盘整背驰 on 30F中枢, now we had this even weaker than 1--8 5F走势. Hence 15 on 10/05 make the 2nd top of M.

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austinjoe 发表于 2012-10-12 11:07 PM
Are you asking 3 30F走势 from 10/2011 low? It's on my post#4 day.png.

1st one --  from 10/04 ...

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austinjoe 发表于 2012-10-13 01:03 AM
Answer to ethanlinear this M top -- please refer to this one "盘整背驰的精确定义和三种扩展应用" --  ...

哇,光冲老大码了这么多字,就已经感动得稀里哗啦的了,再加上里面高深的精辟分析,

对了,老大图上的标识都是自己做的吗?还有MACD的面积计算是怎么弄的?有什么方便的软件可以做这个吗?谢谢


强烈要求老蛇给老大一个专版,多强烈昵?没有最强烈,只有更强烈
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austinjoe 发表于 2012-10-13 01:03 AM
Answer to ethanlinear this M top -- please refer to this one "盘整背驰的精确定义和三种扩展应用" --  ...

IMHO, 缠论 is the most beautiful and solid theory I have ever seen.

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发表于 2012-10-14 06:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
questions about your "day2-new.png" chart:

1. are those lines/marks automatically drawn from software?
2. Do you think 9-10, 10-11, 11-12 are "Bi"? It seems to me they do not meet "Bi" definition (at least one K bar between Ding and Di).

I would consider 9->12 as one bi, so 12 is 3rd buy.

Thank you for sharing,
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发表于 2012-10-14 09:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
这个帖子分析真好. 更值得称赞的是lz的无私分享精神. 应该置顶!
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-10-14 11:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
st-watcher 发表于 2012-10-14 05:04 PM
questions about your "day2-new.png" chart:

1. are those lines/marks automatically drawn from soft ...

No, it's not auto draw by sw. Hand draw by myself. These are 5F走势 coming from 1Min chart 1F线段 ==> 1F走势 ==> 5F走势 递归而的.  
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austinjoe 发表于 2012-10-13 01:03 AM
Answer to ethanlinear this M top -- please refer to this one "盘整背驰的精确定义和三种扩展应用" --  ...

老大,还有一个问题请教

“The answer is the reversal direction compare 89 and 1314 using MACD area”
为什么这里是比较13-14和8-9而不是比较13-14和12-13?看了那个帖子“盘整背驰的精确定义和三种扩展应用”,好像是比较进入中枢和离开中枢的线段。我的理解是12-13和13-14之间会有一个小级别的中枢,然后12-13是进入中枢的线段,13-14是离开中枢的线段。错在哪里?请大侠赐教。谢谢
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-10-15 05:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 austinjoe 于 2012-10-15 04:31 PM 编辑

10/15/2012 Update, today SPX bounce up to 5F中枢 [1442, 1444], but missing by less than 1 point. We can add label 18 on 10Min chart of post#25, it's SPX 1425.54 on 10/12/2012 Last Friday. Watch how SPX escape 1430, 1444 zone area in the coming days.

Bull has to show strength -- compare to 14-15 on the 10Min chart to be able to make a new high this year.
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ethanlinear 发表于 2012-10-15 03:34 PM
老大,还有一个问题请教

“The answer is the reversal direction compare 89 and 1314 using MACD ar ...

You could compare 12-13 here. Since 13 is the same, but 12 is lower than 14. 12-13 is stronger than 13-14.
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austinjoe 发表于 2012-10-15 05:29 PM
You could compare 12-13 here. Since 13 is the same, but 12 is lower than 14. 12-13 is stronger tha ...

Thanks,
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ethanlinear 发表于 2012-10-15 04:38 PM
Thanks,

You're welcome. You could read to "海边玩人" posts -- [系列贴] 一步一步边干边学,学《缠论》 . He did a great summary on 缠论.

http://www.hutong9.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=167270&extra=page%3D1

He used MACD cross over to define the very basic element in 缠论. My understanding is as long as you stay with 1 rule, it will work. I read 1Min chart using Bi, Duan to get 1F线段, then start to build up 1F走势, 5F走势, 30F走势..

You have to be careful on his point  "但是周线的“笔”,到了小级别的日线上,就是“线段”了" as it's a easy and quick reading of the market, but could leads to miss understanding of the true market 走势.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-10-16 12:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
10/16/2012 noon. Market is strong today as this rise has shown more strength than last rise from 1438 -- 1472. Wait dip back, if it could not touch 1444, it's buying point heading 1474.

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austinjoe 发表于 2012-10-16 12:53 PM
10/16/2012 noon. Market is strong today as this rise has shown more strength than last rise from 143 ...

1444 has beocome a crucial level
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